The Right and White Nationalism - An annoying cancer

Americaner isnt really a term most people outside of our sphere would use tho.

What ethnicity would the average person with that background claim?

Who knows what that person would claim, he might claim 'american' or any one of his ancestries, or nothing at all. But this doesn't mean that there isn't a specific ethnic people in embryo in the mid west, they are just largely unconscious of it.
 
White American.

I disagree with those who say this isn't an ethnic group. It is a meaningfully distinct Ethnic group. It's a relatively new one, but all ethnic groups were new at one point in their history.

Precisely. 120 years ago they would be called "American". But mass immigration and liberation of the black community has seen "American" appropriated from the original ethnic americans and redistributed. Now 'American' means anyone with a piece of paper that says "American citizen" on it.

So where does this leave the original American ethnicity, who have seen their actual identity taken and redefined?

Well, they identify as White.

White America is a nation in the process of becoming. But this new ethnogenesis will be opposed with extreme ferocity by the powers that be, all of whom rely on a docile, atomised white population to exploit, loot, scapegoat and use as cannonfodder. They know that when this group emerges and asserts itself as a self aware ethnic group then the entire game is changed.

The 21st century will be dominated by the White problem and whether White America emerges as a force for revolution, or peacefully and firmly assumes its place in the fabric of American life as a cohesive group will depend on the reaction of the elites and their allies.
 
Every particular people that lives in a particular place lives there in that place because of the successful, or not, violence of their ancestors along with the shared suffering of generations to make a place for and provide for the each generation, down to the present. No one has any reason to be ashamed of their ancestors or to 'leave' or 'move' somewhere else. God put you in a people and a place, do your duty to them and to him.

This isn't really complicated.

(Not really directed at @Aldarion just in general)
But this sentiment works against non-genocidal ethnonationalism where ethnicities are geographically intermingled, which is pretty common.
 
The 'invisible hand' of the 'market', the 'almighty dollar'. Or blood and soil and the cults handed down from our fathers.

Choose.
First, I still don't know what copy books have to do with anything; please connect it for me.

Second, does this mean we should follow our ideals even unto genocide?

edit: sorry, I don't want to pin you into a corner where you have to either withdraw or get banned. I will try to think of a way to put it that does not invite an answer that puts you afoul of the rules.

edit2: For peoples and places where ethnicities are intermingled, in a world where ethnonationalism is ascendant, neither side should retreat according to you, yet how can they have an ethnostate without eliminating the other? Can they have two ethnostates "cohabitating", for lack of a better term off the top of my head, or do they have to do something else?
 
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First, I still don't know what copy books have to do with anything; please connect it for me.

Second, does this mean we should follow our ideals even unto genocide?

edit: sorry, I don't want to pin you into a corner where you have to either withdraw or get banned. I will try to think of a way to put it that does not invite an answer that puts you afoul of the rules.

1. Poems - 'The Gods of the Copybook Headings'

2. Genocide is more likely to happen when different peoples are mixed together than when they are separated by natural barriers and borders. Diversity + Proximity == Conflict.
 
I'm white, and I'm a nationalist, but white nationalist typically means in support of a white nation. Not being white while being a nationalist.
White nationalism is a lot more specific than that. White nationalism is a internationalist ideology that relies heavily on social Darwinism and believes in pan European identity. It’s also characteristically and typically atheist, many will go and just say “Jesus is a dead kike on a stick” and is generally more accepting of Pagans than Christianity. Its also relatively accepting of the lgbt, doesn’t really care much about what a lot of social cons see as degenerate and would hold interracial marriage is worse than say, abortion or prostitution. It’s also obviously pretty anti-Jewish and generally wants pan European ethnostates not really tied to any one culture.

There’s some variance and a lot more positions but this is a summation of what is put forward by Spencer and others like him. All of you who hate white nationalism need to actually understand what it means, and I’m certainly not a fan of it myself as it very much doesn’t put forward the actual nation state and denigrates God and puts forward essentially racial idolatry. At the same time realize that this term is way overused by both the left and the right to dismiss people they don’t like. The left uses it for the entirety of the right to varying degrees unless they are their pets who preach sinking the Right politically for the sake of “decency”, and the right uses it for so many of those who fall outside of con inc and the heritage foundation. It’s not white nationalist to think race is real or to value your race or to be proud of it. It’s not white nationalist to be an immigration restrictionist. If you think this then ultimately you would have to conclude that our nation was founded on white nationalism lol.
 
2. Genocide is more likely to happen when different peoples are mixed together than when they are separated by natural barriers and borders. Diversity + Proximity == Conflict.
Does this not show that ethnonationalism is a poor fit for such places, presuming that the people there wish to avoid genocide?
 
Ethnonationslism has no place in the United States, and is anathema to the very soul of this nation.

Lol. The men who built this country had “whites only” as a requirement to be a citizen. Apparently the creators of America went against the very soul of America.

Here’s a question to everyone in this thread. Is it wrong for Israel to restrict immigration to only those ethnically Jewish? Is it wrong for Poland to want to have strict immigration to preserve a Polish population? Is it wrong for Japan to want to keep a majority Japanese population? Is it wrong for Mexico to want to stay majority Mexican?
 
Well, I am not convinced there is no solution that does not involve genocide, and ethnonationalism apparently does.

This seems like an unsupportable logical leap. left to their own devices, absent Government-Corporate meddling, people naturally self sort themselves into ethnic enclaves. And a politics that recognizes that each ethnicity has their own sperate and valid interests can at least negotiate between those interests openly and honestly instead of labelling one group of interests as the virtue of the downtrodden and another as the evil of the oppressor for the sake of playing divide and rule.
 

Lol. The men who built this country had “whites only” as a requirement to be a citizen. Apparently the creators of America went against the very soul of America.

Here’s a question to everyone in this thread. Is it wrong for Israel to restrict immigration to only those ethnically Jewish? Is it wrong for Poland to want to have strict immigration to preserve a Polish population? Is it wrong for Japan to want to keep a majority Japanese population? Is it wrong for Mexico to want to stay majority Mexican?
Ethnonationalism, as described by DSR so recently, clearly wasn't a priority for white people importing black slaves like it was going out of style. (Which, as it turns out, it was.)

To your question, I hold that countries can limit immigration according to their tastes. But in an ethnonationalist view I would think that Israel's settlement policy is not just wrong but practically open warfare.
 
Ethnonationalism, as described by DSR so recently, clearly wasn't a priority for white people importing black slaves like it was going out of style. (Which, as it turns out, it was.)
Yes as labor not citizens. In terms of who could be a citizen it was white only, and also no, the international slave trade ended early on. Jefferson in particular wrote on abolition that we needed to give them a separate nation once slavery was abolished as the two groups were incompatible and it would inevitably lead to genocide. I’m softer than that and think it’s possible to be compatible within the same state but it requires mutual respect and a degree of separation generally. If you think that’s white nationalist then that’s what our country was founded on.

To your question, I hold that countries can limit immigration according to their tastes. But in an ethnonationalist view I would think that Israel's settlement policy is not just wrong but practically open warfare.
Okay but what about their immigration policy and some of the others I listed?
 
This seems like an unsupportable logical leap. left to their own devices, absent Government-Corporate meddling, people naturally self sort themselves into ethnic enclaves. And a politics that recognizes that each ethnicity has their own sperate and valid interests can at least negotiate between those interests openly and honestly instead of labelling one group of interests as the virtue of the downtrodden and another as the evil of the oppressor for the sake of playing divide and rule.
I would admit that all else being equal ethnic groups tend to keep to themselves of their own accord. But it's a much more ambitious claim to say that no pressures short of "government-corprate meddling" can persuade them to intermingle. I don't think that's true.

Even if it were true, though, when faced with societies where the ethnicities have in fact been intermingled, I am not at all convinced that they will naturally re-segregate without one or more of (a) genocide (b) government intervention (c) a very long period of time.
 
Even if it were true, though, when faced with societies where the ethnicities have in fact been intermingled, I am not at all convinced that they will naturally re-segregate without one or more of (a) genocide (b) government intervention (c) a very long period of time.
Yugoslavia exploded damn quick and those people were not very disparate all things considered. Pretty much all multiethnic empires had a lot of de facto or de jure segregation. Famously when the Romans allowed the Feoderati and the Germans to settle as full and autonomous groups it ultimately spelled their death as these groups broke apart from the larger pan Roman Empire to form their own, smaller, nations carved out of it with their own ethnic groups dominating.
 

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