United States The Lone Star State (TX) Thread

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Are you seriously pulling out that old leftist strawman?

Really?

not trying to. If nothing else I'm not arguing against pro-life I'm just saying what the next step needs to be. No matter which side of the line you fall into, slavery was never going the end all be all of the social issues between euro-Americans and native Americans. It was just a first step. the same thing is going to apply to abortion. Just like you can't legislate racism away you can't regulate people's sex's drives with a pin or magically make the inability to raise children illegal. I have family members I wouldin't trust to be 15 miles from a baby. You have to apply some kind of force OR insinuative. We can't just make abortion illegal. we have to make it obsolete.

 

[Terthna]

The Supreme Court has elected not to hear objections to the Texas Fetal Heartbeat bill. Abortions after 6 weeks, ie. about 85% of all abortions, are now illegal in the Lone Star State.

Texas 6-week abortion ban takes effect after Supreme Court inaction

A controversial Texas law that bars abortions at six weeks went into effect early Wednesday morning after the Supreme Court and a federal appeals court failed to rule on pending emergency requests brought by abortion providers.

www.cnn.com

It's a good time to be a dentist, a lot of people are going to be breaking their teeth gnashing them so hard.

I don't understand that statistic; why wouldn't you want to get an abortion as soon a possible, if you're going to get one at all? Why wait until more than 6 weeks in? I mean, maybe if you didn't know you were pregnant until you started missing periods, or it started showing; but one would think a pregnancy test would catch it earlier.

 

[Emperor Tippy]

That whole case is a legal mess.

US courts don't issue advisory opinions. To get into court you are supposed to need standing.

Since the abortion providers hadn't been sued yet, their case should have been immediately tossed on the grounds that they lacked standing. No redressable injury had yet been done to them.

Then you have the basic idea of suing the entire state judiciary to enjoin them to refuse to file cases or rule on them. Novel approach is an understatement.

As a matter of legal principal, the statute should be tossed. The state shouldn't be allowed to end run the law by creating a private cause of action to enforce a law that could not be enforced if the state brought the case itself.

But how the abortion people went about challenging this statute is flawed.

I mean you know that someone would have filed a case day one. Wait for the case to be filed and then go for getting it tossed.

 

[LordsFire]

not trying to. If nothing else i'm not argueing against pro-life I'm just saying what the next step needs to be. No matter which side of the line you fall into, slavery was never going the end all be all of the social issues between euro-Americans and native americans. It was just a first step. the same thing is going to apply to abortion. Just like you can't legiglate racism away you can't people's sex's drives or their inability to raise children. You have to apply some kind of force OR insinuative. We can't just make abortion illegal. we have to make it obsolete.

There was and has been a massive amount of infrastructure and people involved with dealing with those kinds of problems. And the political left has been putting consistent effort into destroying that.

The way you talk about it smacks heavily of a leftist strawman, because conservatives, especially Christians, have had countless charities, programs, organizations, and just people at churches helping out since before Roe v Wade was ever a thing.

 

[Captain X]

And yet the most common conservative talking point I've seen in response to this is along the lines of "why should I have to pay for it because you couldn't keep your legs closed?"

 

[Zachowon]

And yet the most common conservative talking point I've seen in response to this is along the lines of "why should I have to pay for it because you couldn't keep your legs closed?"

Not wrong
It is along with standard Free health care stuff.
We don't like

 

[LordsFire]

And yet the most common conservative talking point I've seen in response to this is along the lines of "why should I have to pay for it because you couldn't keep your legs closed?"

...

What circles exactly, do you run in?

Because that's a talking point I have heard and seen literally never. Every single pro-life group and person I've ever met had the primary 'talking point' of 'murder is wrong, and murder of the most innocent and helpless is extra-wrong.'

 

[49ersfootball]

I should note that Redistricting will be in the upcoming fall special session as the TX GOP looks to cement their dominance for the foreseeable future in our lifetimes.

 

[49ersfootball]

NBC 36 KXAN-TV Austin reporting on the new laws in the Lone Star State:

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[Bear Ribs]

The meltdown people are having over the new abortion law is hilarious.

 

[Arch Dornan]

The meltdown people are having over the new abortion law is hilarious.

Inb4 Joe sends the military to airlift women to get abortions.

 

[Zachowon]

Just get it before 6 weeks like damn

 

[Bear Ribs]

Just get it before 6 weeks like damn

Dude, you're talking about people who are in favor of abortion even after the baby's been born.

 

[Zachowon]

Dude, you're talking about people who are in favor of abortion even after the baby's been born.

.........
Can we do a Sherman through every dem state?

 

[Bacle]

.........
Can we do a Sherman through every dem state?

I've always had a feeling the pro-Life vs pro-Abortion fight could be a flashpoint if cultural tensions ever got too high, and they are really high now.

So if ACW 2.0 kicks off over the pro-Life vs pro-Abortion debate...then by all means, go Sherman's March on pro-Abortion states. You'd be surprised how many locals in the blue states would probably join in said march.

 

[Zachowon]

I've always had a feeling the pro-Life vs pro-Abortion fight could be a flashpoint if cultural tensions ever got too high, and they are really high now.

So if ACW 2.0 kicks off over the pro-Life vs pro-Abortion debate...then by all means, go Sherman's March on pro-Abortion states. You'd be surprised how many locals in the blue states would probably join in said march.

....I will lead with a Sherman Crocodile tank as well

 

[Battlegrinder]

And yet the most common conservative talking point I've seen in response to this is along the lines of "why should I have to pay for it because you couldn't keep your legs closed?"

That's not quite accurate, the traditional objection is "I don't want my tax dollars to be used to fund something I find morally abhorrent", rather than people just being tightwads.

The meltdown people are having over the new abortion law is hilarious.

And it's only going to get worse when the SC shoots down Roe. The left has relied on Roe as a fiat justification for thier position, and has been totally unable to devise a morally and logically defensible argument in favor of their abortion policy* (by contrast, republican arguments in favor of, say, gun rights exist independently of the legislation codified those rights), when Roe dies and this becomes a matter to be settled democratically, they will lose. And it's driving them nuts.


*That's not to say they don't have arguments, however they don't have any arguments that support thier stated policies, the claims they make tend to lean toward far more restrictive policies, or justify far more than abortion and lead into infacide.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Offer a ritual burning of anything woke and especially alimony records and a lot more will join.

 

[gral]

On the BruceQuest discord, someone(I think it was Agayek) mentioned the anti-gun crowd may do the same thing regarding gun laws Texas is doing to abortion. Maybe, but that would only accelerate an existing trend(of strangling gun rights) in those states.

 

[Battlegrinder]

On the BruceQuest discord, someone(I think it was Agayek) mentioned the anti-gun crowd may do the same thing regarding gun laws Texas is doing to abortion. Maybe, but that would only accelerate an existing trend(of strangling gun rights) in those states.

Possibly, but in the long run it's unlikely a law like this will pass muster. It snuck through via procedural loopholes and edge cases that prevented it from being shot down preemptively, but there's no way it survives on the books for long.