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bintananth

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Why do you have this constant need to come up with ludicrous bullshit?
A lot of if not all of the "bullshit" is something I just happened to randomly remeber.

Fr'ex: the ignition sequence for a four-stroke air-cooled radial is every other cylinder. If it has 5-cylinders per row 1-3-5-2-4 and back to one, when connecting the dots with line segments you get a five-pointed star with the exact same proportions as the ones on American flags.

That's the kind of stupid random BS I just happen to know and can't forget.
 
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ShadowArxxy

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Not so sure about that. There is a whole lot more engineering going into modern gatling guns than just that. There are reasons why they weren't used in WW2, despite many larger aircraft and AA emplacements having their own electric systems good enough to even rotate turrets.
Dude, that’s literally how they did proof of concept for Project Vulcan. They took a pair of vintage Army Gatling guns out of storage, hooked up an electric motor, and tested operating it at extreme ROF. The outcome was that it worked perfectly at up to about 3000 RPM, at which point the ammunition system couldn’t reliably feed bullets into it fast enough.
Edit: Specifically, the test rigs were Model 1877 "Bulldog” Gatlings in .45-70 Government.
 

Marduk

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Dude, that’s literally how they did proof of concept for Project Vulcan. They took a pair of vintage Army Gatling guns out of storage, hooked up an electric motor, and tested operating it at extreme ROF. The outcome was that it worked perfectly at up to about 3000 RPM, at which point the ammunition system couldn’t reliably feed bullets into it fast enough.
Edit: Specifically, the test rigs were Model 1877 "Bulldog” Gatlings in .45-70 Government.
My point exactly, and it's not the original Gatling gun, but a later, more polished model. The whole point of modern gatlings is to go closer to 6000 RPM. 3000 is almost within revolver cannon territory with just one barrel.
 

bintananth

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Dude, that’s literally how they did proof of concept for Project Vulcan. They took a pair of vintage Army Gatling guns out of storage, hooked up an electric motor, and tested operating it at extreme ROF. The outcome was that it worked perfectly at up to about 3000 RPM, at which point the ammunition system couldn’t reliably feed bullets into it fast enough.
Edit: Specifically, the test rigs were Model 1877 "Bulldog” Gatlings in .45-70 Government.
.45-70 Government is also not what Dr. Gatling's guns used back in the 1860s because that wasn't available to anyone at all prior to 1873.
 

ShadowArxxy

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My point exactly, and it's not the original Gatling gun, but a later, more polished model. The whole point of modern gatlings is to go closer to 6000 RPM. 3000 is almost within revolver cannon territory with just one barrel.

The mechanical differences between the 1861 original Gatling and all later models of the Army hand cranked variety were extremely minimal, so the factual point remains that antique Gatlings were used as successful test rigs.

It is also completely inaccurate to say that 3000 RPM is "almost within revolver territory”. Typical revolver cannons fire at a third to half that rate, with only one exceptional model using a variant mechanism ever managing to exceed 2000.
 

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i will note getting gattlings to fire that fast was nothing new....
there where shipboard variants in the 1870s and 1880s that used either steam or electrical power to reach thousands of rounds per minute albeit they couldn't really get the ammo into the thing that fast.
 

Marduk

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The mechanical differences between the 1861 original Gatling and all later models of the Army hand cranked variety were extremely minimal, so the factual point remains that antique Gatlings were used as successful test rigs.

It is also completely inaccurate to say that 3000 RPM is "almost within revolver territory”. Typical revolver cannons fire at a third to half that rate, with only one exceptional model using a variant mechanism ever managing to exceed 2000.
I'm not talking of R-23.
GIAT 30 says hi...
It's the cannon used on Rafale.
 

bintananth

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i will note getting gattlings to fire that fast was nothing new....
there where shipboard variants in the 1870s and 1880s that used either steam or electrical power to reach thousands of rounds per minute albeit they couldn't really get the ammo into the thing that fast.
One thing most people tend to ignore is that high rates of fire also chew through ammo at high rates.

Take the Phalanx CIWS some large warships have: 21.67s before "I need to reload".
 

paulobrito

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I find it funny that someone compares the very simple (relatively) mechanics of a Gatling gun with the extremely complex ones of a thermonuclear reactor.
 

Jormungandr

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Pretty average looking is - to be polite - generous when her mugshot is included.

Makeup, camera angles, airbrushes, and photoshop can hide the ugly. A mugshot won't.
As someone who has dabbled (brushing up on Photoshop skills for other areas -- everything in digital art overlays with each other in technique and usage) in such areas, I can easily confirm that if I had a few hours, a decent, colour-correct monitor, and a good graphics tablet, I could turn someone who'd make Instagram beauty filters malfunction into someone you'd see on a beauty magazine's cover, even if my results would be a pale comparison to professionals who work their balls/tits off doing this for a living.

While the industry standard is Photoshop, there are other, lesser publicized softwares out there that are used, too.
I can't remember their names, but I've seen them in action in certain videos, and I know their price-range is that of a full license of specialized software like Nuke, Maya/3DS Max, et cetera, so easily $500+ for one license than Photoshop's $15'ish a month cost.

Hell, some even create 3D scans of a model's face for lighting/rendering purposes. I mean, considering that Photoshop airbrushing was considered the norm/expected thing like twenty years ago, this is just fucking insane now.
 

bintananth

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As someone who has dabbled (brushing up on Photoshop skills for other areas -- everything in digital art overlays with each other in technique and usage) in such areas, I can easily confirm that if I had a few hours, a decent, colour-correct monitor, and a good graphics tablet, I could turn someone who'd make Instagram beauty filters malfunction into someone you'd see on a beauty magazine's cover, even if my results would be a pale comparison to professionals who work their balls/tits off doing this for a living.

While the industry standard is Photoshop, there are other, lesser publicized softwares out there that are used, too.
I can't remember their names, but I've seen them in action in certain videos, and I know their price-range is that of a full license of specialized software like Nuke, Maya/3DS Max, et cetera, so easily $500+ for one license than Photoshop's $15'ish a month cost.

Hell, some even create 3D scans of a model's face for lighting/rendering purposes. I mean, considering that Photoshop airbrushing was considered the norm/expected thing like twenty years ago, this is just fucking insane now.
Some of the more specialized 3D software suites have pricetags of "Yes".

Take Revit for example. That's about $2,675/yr for one license.
 

bintananth

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Yeah, and given 3DSMax and Maya are the industry standards in a lot of the game and entertainment industries... :(
Revit and AutoCAD are the standards for the Architecture and Engineering fields. The BW plotter in our print room with a color scanner capable of spitting out a little less than 250 36"x48" drawings in one go without needing more paper or ink: about $63,000 a few years ago.

That's a little less than 2/10 of a mile of paper.
 

Jormungandr

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Revit and AutoCAD are the standards for the Architecture and Engineering fields. The BW plotter in our print room with a color scanner capable of spitting out a little less than 250 36"x48" drawings in one go without needing more paper or ink: about $63,000 a few years ago.

That's a little less than 2/10 of a mile of paper.
Ouch. That's insane.

In game development, media, and *shudder* Hollywood, 3DSMax and Maya are staples, though other bits of "if you need to ask, it's unlikely you can afford it" softwares are used, too. Nuke overlaps too when special effects are needed, and seeing how they do such things behind the scenes in training courses is, frankly, utterly amazing and batshit insane at times.

What's fascinating, however, is that Blender is becoming an increasingly popular choice for matte painters -- it used to be just Maya.

What really kills a budget, however, isn't the software and expertise needed to create, but the processing power needed to render them to a final result or a work in progress that can be further edited. :( IIRC, it took weeks, non-stop, to render the effects seen in an Avengers film... on what's basically a supercomputer. 😮

It's definitely a cluster of industries I want to break into one day, though. I love the idea of creating something.
 

bintananth

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Ouch. That's insane.

In game development, media, and *shudder* Hollywood, 3DSMax and Maya are staples, though other bits of "if you need to ask, it's unlikely you can afford it" softwares are used, too. Nuke overlaps too when special effects are needed, and seeing how they do such things behind the scenes in training courses is, frankly, utterly amazing and batshit insane at times.

What's fascinating, however, is that Blender is becoming an increasingly popular choice for matte painters -- it used to be just Maya.

What really kills a budget, however, isn't the software and expertise needed to create, but the processing power needed to render them to a final result or a work in progress that can be further edited. :( IIRC, it took weeks, non-stop, to render the effects seen in an Avengers film... on what's basically a supercomputer. 😮

It's definitely a cluster of industries I want to break into one day, though. I love the idea of creating something.
A draftsman I used to work with said roughly this about our workstations roughly 10-15yrs ago: "Start with the fastest processor and video card you can get. Then, stuff it full of RAM."
 

Jormungandr

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A draftsman I used to work with said roughly this about our workstations roughly 10-15yrs ago: "Start with the fastest processor and video card you can get. Then, stuff it full of RAM."
These days it's the same but with the added caveat of "as many graphics cards as you can", too. :( But because of the cryptocurrency mining boon, all GPUs are insanely expensive or second-hand, nearly worn out now. :(

I mean, my current rig has 32GB of 3000mhz DDR4, and a Ryzen 5 3600... but my graphics card? It's a bloody Radeon HD 5450, which is like a decade old. :(
 

bintananth

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These days it's the same but with the added caveat of "as many graphics cards as you can", too. :( But because of the cryptocurrency mining boon, all GPUs are insanely expensive or second-hand, nearly worn out now. :(

I mean, my current rig has 32GB of 3000mhz DDR4, and a Ryzen 5 3600... but my graphics card? It's a bloody Radeon HD 5450, which is like a decade old. :(
Oof.

The hand-me-down laptop my daughters use is an i5 quad-core with 16GB of RAM that I got in 2011.
 

Jormungandr

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Oof.

The hand-me-down laptop my daughters use is an i5 quad-core with 16GB of RAM that I got in 2011.
The laptop I bought in 2016 had 8GB DDR3L, an i35005u, and HD5500 on-board graphics. It still cost me £350.00 (including VAT). I feel robbed, lol.
 

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