The Abortion Thread (Political)

[BlackDragon98]

So, after being forbidden communion by Archbishop Cordileoni for her abortion stance, Nancy Pelosi went to a church in DC and got it anyway.

Nancy Pelosi receives communion, speaks out against archbishop who banned her from eucharist

U S House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif , reportedly took communion at a Catholic church in Washington, D C , Sunday and spoke out Tuesday after Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone of San Francisco ...

www.christianpost.com

However apparently that was the right thing to do, as she's now traveled to the Vatican where she was seated in the VIP section and given communion in a Papal Mass under Pope Francis.

Pelosi receives Communion in Vatican despite abortion stance

Pelosi’s home archbishop has said he will no longer allow her to receive the sacrament in his archdiocese because of her support for abortion rights.

www.politico.com

Based on messages and threads I'm seeing this is generating a fair chunk of controversy in the Catholic Church.

true Catholics gotta rise up and brand the Vatican and their child molestering friends as a bunch of heretics.

HERESY MUST BE PURGED!

 

[Bacle]

 

[BlackDragon98]

imagine if they did abortion this way . . .

Wikipedia caption said that this is a "Bas-relief at Angkor Wat, Cambodia, c. 1150, depicting a demon inducing an abortion by pounding the abdomen of a pregnant woman with a pestle.[84][172]"

Abortion - Wikipedia

 

[GoldRanger]

If you can convince people that babies are ok to kill, then it's really easy to tell people that mom doesn't need dad either.

This point is where your entire arguments explodes into tiny fragments. This is not logic, this is nonsense.

 

[Marduk]

I disagree. It's very possible. You just have to start at the bottom. It's a change that won't happen top-down. Extremely difficult and long term, but also extremely worthwhile.

Not extremely difficult, it is an impossibility, unless you have a way to grow people's brains bigger.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number

There is a reason why this sort of problem is highly concentrated in major metropolitan areas, rarely seen in towns, and nearly unheard of in villages.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Not extremely difficult, it is an impossibility, unless you have a way to grow people's brains bigger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number

I hate this fallacy for one simple reason. It pretends that those connection are isolated from other people's connections. They aren't. I've got 35 close connections...even if only 5 of those connections are with people from different areas of life, that spreads your connections through a HUGE web of influence.

My point is that we need to teach the city folk that they don't need the govt to take care of them if they just make sure to open their eyes to what's happening with their neighbors, coworkers and family. Too often city living teaches people NOT TO NOTICE. Fix that, and you change a LOT.

 

[Marduk]

I hate this fallacy for one simple reason. It pretends that those connection are isolated from other people's connections. They aren't. I've got 35 close connections...even if only 5 of those connections are with people from different areas of life, that spreads your connections through a HUGE web of influence.

Yes, and that math perfectly explains how the problems get gradually worse with bigger settlements, rather than get the worst case scenario merely after few thousands.
Over around 22k it becomes a fact that it's impossible for everyone to have connections with everyone even by 1 proxy. That's basically the large town threshold.
Around 3 million that becomes true even for 2 levels of proxy, and statistically even that is very unlikely. Somewhere between towns and that are ordinary cities, and beyond 3 million is the territory of megacities (similarity to Megacity One not accidental).

My point is that we need to teach the city folk that they don't need the govt to take care of them if they just make sure to open their eyes to what's happening with their neighbors, coworkers and family. Too often city living teaches people NOT TO NOTICE. Fix that, and you change a LOT.

But what is the risk vs reward calculation for noticing? No wonder they don't notice. Some talk of a war on noticing for a reason.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

You step up for your neighbors and they will step up themselves. Not 100%, but it will happen. Do that enough and it spreads.

 

[Typhonis]

The thing of it is... until recently large cities were places people went to die. The people in large cities died in droves with new arrivals keeping the numbers up. It wasn't until sanitation and medical practice started helping with disease that more people could live in a city.

 

[Simonbob]

The thing of it is... until recently large cities were places people went to die. The people in large cities died in droves with new arrivals keeping the numbers up. It wasn't until sanitation and medical practice started helping with disease that more people could live in a city.

There was always much more money avalable, that's why they went, even with the shorter life.

 

[Largo]

So, there has been talk of bills banning people from going out of state to get abortions in states which allow abortions. And I would argue that goes way too far. The Commerce Clause, as abused as it may have been by the Feds, exists to shut down this sort of thing.

 

[LordsFire]

So, there has been talk of bills banning people from going out of state to get abortions in states which allow abortions. And I would argue that goes way too far. The Commerce Clause, as abused as it may have been by the Feds, exists to shut down this sort of thing.

It is going too far; the states do not have the power to restrict movement across their borders within the union. The only feasible exception being essentially abducting a minor, IE moving a minor across state borders without the consent of their parent/guardian.

 

[WolfBear]

CNN Anchor Suggests Dobbs Decision Will Encourage Taliban Human-Rights Abuses | National Review

‘American democracy and the state of Americans’ women’s rights are being really looked at,’ Amanpour said.

www.nationalreview.com

 

[WolfBear]

'Abstinence-only sex ed' is largely a myth and joke outside a few parts of the very-far right, as most reasonable people on the Right will just promote making sure you use condoms and don't get into hook-up culture.

Or get sterilized. You can even become a parent later on with the help of artificial insemination and/or IVF even if you're sterilized. Even a bilateral epididymectomy can be followed by an ICSI procedure if one subsequently wants a child.

 

[WolfBear]

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/antisemitism/article-710771

His statement is obviously false here. Out of the five SCOTUS Justices who voted to uphold Roe back in 1992, none were Jewish. Blackmun wasn't, Stevens wasn't, Souter wasn't, Kennedy wasn't, and O'Connor wasn't.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Apparently some Urologists in New York City are reporting a 500% increase in young men seeking vasectomies.

Making the cut: Younger men seek vasectomies in the wake of Roe v. Wade ruling

Younger men in the Big Apple —- and across the country — are scrambling to book appointments to get vasectomies, urologists and prospective patients told The Post.

nypost.com

 

[WolfBear]

Apparently some Urologists in New York City are reporting a 500% increase in young men seeking vasectomies.

Making the cut: Younger men seek vasectomies in the wake of Roe v. Wade ruling

Younger men in the Big Apple —- and across the country — are scrambling to book appointments to get vasectomies, urologists and prospective patients told The Post.

nypost.com

I'll just post this here:

Sign the Petition

Force health insurance companies to cover bilateral epididymectomy for sterilization

www.change.org

A bilateral epididymectomy should be more effective than a vasectomy in preventing an unplanned pregnancy, especially when it is also combined with a vasectomy. I don't know by just how much it is more effective, though.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

I'll just post this here:

Sign the Petition

Force health insurance companies to cover bilateral epididymectomy for sterilization

www.change.org

The moment you go "Let's Force this group of people to pay for something!" you lose any support I might give.

 

[WolfBear]

The moment you go "Let's Force this group of people to pay for something!" you lose any support I might give.

Do you oppose socialized medicine in general?

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Do you oppose socialized medicine in general?

Yes.

Government run healthcare has been a curse on the general health and well being of our population as well as the professionalism and care of our doctors.