The Abortion Thread (Political)

[Bacle]

Edit: The crowd went with the truck who was just trying to go about it's day as they illegally blocked the street, and these asshats frame it as 'plowing through a crowd'.

 

[Cherico]

Dont protest in the middle of the road.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Edit: The crowd went with the truck who was just trying to go about it's day as they illegally blocked the street, and these asshats frame it as 'plowing through a crowd'.

Yep, that's completely bent take.

 

[Zyobot]

Edit: The crowd went with the truck who was just trying to go about it's day as they illegally blocked the street, and these asshats frame it as 'plowing through a crowd'.

You know, I can't help but notice how the video started only at the point where the truck began accelerating, rather than giving context by showing everything building up to it. Had the driver stopped instead, I can imagine the protesters being a great deal less "merciful" than the driver was to them. No one here was injured as far as I can tell, either, so there's that.

But yeah, as the quote goes: "The bully cries out in pain as they strike you." And they even have the nerve to sue for whatever damage their hand took when hitting you, too!

 

[Captain X]

I'm curious as to how you think it isn't.

I'm curious as to how you do think it is. After all, no one is stopping anyone from getting married and having families. The far greater barrier to that is divorce, alimony, child support, and child custody, with it basically not being worth it for men to get married. People who do not want to get married and wish to sow their wild oats are going to do so, and frankly I'm fine with them doing so as long as they do not use abortion as a form of birth control. If anything the use of birth control should be emphasized.

 

[Simonbob]

I'm curious as to how you do think it is. After all, no one is stopping anyone from getting married and having families. The far greater barrier to that is divorce, alimony, child support, and child custody, with it basically not being worth it for men to get married. People who do not want to get married and wish to sow their wild oats are going to do so, and frankly I'm fine with them doing so as long as they do not use abortion as a form of birth control. If anything the use of birth control should be emphasized.

There's a number of studies that show that woman who sleeps around loses the capacity to bond. As in, any woman who sleeps with more than 10 guys will almost never be capable of not looking for the next guy.

Guys have the same, but much slower.


A slut can't stop herself from cheating.

 

[Captain X]

There's a number of studies that show that woman who sleeps around loses the capacity to bond. As in, any woman who sleeps with more than 10 guys will almost never be capable of not looking for the next guy.

Guys have the same, but much slower.


A slut can't stop herself from cheating.

Even if true, so what? These are not people who were going to get married and have families anyway, and their activities in no way affect existing families.

 

[Simonbob]

Even if true, so what? These are not people who were going to get married and have families anyway, and their activities in no way affect existing families.

Social pressure isn't everything, but it does have an effect, on women more than men. So, if you encourage and support slutting, girls who under other cultures might have gotten happlied married are now sleeping around.


At the same time, guys are seeing the sluts and learning that they either aren't capable of getting a girl at all, or if they can, they don't need to care about a girl to get laid as much as they want. And, neither group is learning to care about the other, or thinking about the work required to make a relationship work, or the willingness to have kids, with all the work and joy in that.


It's not the only thing pushing to destroy the family, but it's a part.

 

[Captain X]

Social pressure isn't everything, but it does have an effect, on women more than men. So, if you encourage and support slutting, girls who under other cultures might have gotten happlied married are now sleeping around.

This is the exact same theory feminists are operating under as far as holding sex hostage to get men to do what they want, incidentally. You are both ignoring the fact that you do not represent any kind of a majority. I also don't find it a very good look for someone to try to circumvent law via "social pressure." Again, this is a tactic of the left - they call it "cancel culture" when they aren't denying it exists.

It's not the only thing pushing to destroy the family, but it's a part.

Wrong. Dead wrong. Other people enjoying themselves does not in any way "destroy the family." I already told you what the biggest obstacle to people starting and maintaining families and you're ignoring that to focus on moralizing instead.

 

[Simonbob]

This is the exact same theory feminists are operating under as far as holding sex hostage to get men to do what they want, incidentally. You are both ignoring the fact that you do not represent any kind of a majority. I also don't find it a very good look for someone to try to circumvent law via "social pressure." Again, this is a tactic of the left - they call it "cancel culture" when they aren't denying it exists.

...... Should I be moving to a place where I can marry 13 years old kids, and buy one from a terrible parent? There are places that'd be legal, after all.

No, that would be bad? Gee, might that be "social pressure"?

Wrong. Dead wrong. Other people enjoying themselves does not in any way "destroy the family." I already told you what the biggest obstacle to people starting and maintaining families and you're ignoring that to focus on moralizing instead.

Do you really think people are getting married to people they don't, can't trust?

Moralizing? It's just a fact. Fucking around sooner or later means you can't stop, and that means the trust underlying a good relationship is not happening. Unless you fool them, and that's not a good basis for a partnership, either.


So, I'm not denying the stuff you pointed out, but this is part of it. Everything, including pleasure, has consequences. Just like heroin.

 

[Captain X]

...... Should I be moving to a place where I can marry 13 years old kids, and buy one from a terrible parent? There are places that'd be legal, after all.

No, that would be bad? Gee, might that be "social pressure"?

Ah, hyperbole.

Do you really think people are getting married to people they don't, can't trust?

Apparently this is the case, or divorce-rape wouldn't be a thing.

Moralizing? It's just a fact.

Nah, it's just you moralizing and trying to force everyone to live according to your faith.

So, I'm not denying the stuff you pointed out, but this is part of it. Everything, including pleasure, has consequences. Just like heroin.

Having some fun isn't comparable to heroin use. Incidentally you're talking to someone who is actually against the "War on Drugs." What I pointed out is the main cause of destruction of the family in this country, with welfare programs that discourage people from getting married being a close second.

 

[History Learner]

Getting an abortion so you don't completely derail and ruin your life is a valid reason.

I don't usually like to reveal anything more than generic details about myself online for obvious reasons, but recent events and a resulting conversation with an ex have been on my mind a lot lately.

I grew up being nominally Pro-Life, especially so as I first got politically active as a teenager, but slowly this faded and I became far more nuanced on the issue while in college; different crowds and some friends having pregnancy scares, etc. I didn't think it should be glorified or anything other than a last resort, but my views evolved. Fast forward a bit and I'm dating this girl after leaving college, and along comes a pregnancy scare of my own for the first time in my life. I'm terrified at this point, and to my now eternal shame and guilt, I suggested abortion. Thank God for the wisdom of my ex, because she was able to be really profound over the course of this situation and make me realize how selfish I was being. She wasn't opposed to it in general, but she did make the point to me that because of health conditions of her own, she never thought she would be able to get pregnant and had always wanted a baby. If she was actually pregnant, this might be her only chance to be a mother.

I thought a lot on that over the course of the next few days and as we had more conversations. Here I was being terrified to actually have to raise a baby with all that implied for my life, and then there was her rejoicing in a way that she might get a blessing she thought she never would. It really drove home to me a point that I've since come to fully embrace, in that when it comes to your children-and they are even when they're in the womb-your life no longer matters first. That may sound harsh to some but I don't care, that baby in the womb is yours and it is your responsibility now. It didn't ask to be put there and it is only there because of your own actions; in my case, as with the overwhelmingly majority who end up in the same situation, it was because we didn't contraception. Having been in the hot seat, I can understand the effects of the initial fear and panic, so I can empathize with those going through it, but that doesn't change me from the conclusion I came to. Whereas I was freaking out about my future, her calmness really made me realize that I needed to man up and be prepared to be a father, to accept the consequences of my actions and do what I knew to be morally right. That baby was innocent and it deserved the chance to live a life too.

Ultimately, one night while we were together, I told her that no matter what I would support her and would take care of my baby. It was innocent and it deserved life, it wasn't my right to take it was my thinking. A few days later, we found out it was a false alarm, so I never did have to go into the responsibility I previously feared, but nowadays I honestly think it was God giving me a life lesson. If you take anything from this story, I hope it's the realization that life matters no matter what.

 

[Simonbob]

Nah, it's just you moralizing and trying to force everyone to live according to your faith.

I don't have a faith. I don't think there's any real spirtuality.

There's no God, no demons, no Karma, nothing beyond this life. We're just animals, and the only things in this whole, wide Universe that cares is us.


As best I can tell, it's just an instinct thing. A woman who sleeps around breaks her ability to stop sleeping around. There's no choosing not to, no picking a better way. They just habituate to being a slut.

 

[History Learner]

As best I can tell, it's just an instinct thing. A woman who sleeps around breaks her ability to stop sleeping around. There's no choosing not to, no picking a better way. They just habituate to being a slut.

Term you're looking for is pair bonding and it is scientifically proven, just don't expect people doing the research to be too vocal about it publicly.

 

[Simonbob]

Term you're looking for is pair bonding and it is scientifically proven, just don't expect people doing the research to be too vocal about it publicly.

I've already heard a bit about it. That's what I've been talking about.

 

[History Learner]

I've already heard a bit about it. That's what I've been talking about.

If anyone is ever wondering why our grandparents or such had such stable, long lasting marriages it is because ~30% of women in the 1950s were virgins at marriage and another 20% had only one pre-marital partner (usually the future husband, even). Another 20% had two, again, including the future husband. Today the average woman has between 3 to 7 partners in her life, as of 2013 statistics. No wonder we have a 50% divorce rate in this country and an overall collapse in marriage rates.

If you're asking why I'm saying women instead of men, it is because most evidence puts to a much reduced effect on men; this makes sense from an evolutionary standpoint because men and women traditionally have differing breeding strategies.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Social limits have been the major binding restrictions on EVERY society throughout time. Yes, legal restrictions do the same, but those only tend to impact a minority of the population. Social restrictions are what impact EVERY person in a society. They are what shape the character of a society even more than its laws.

We know for a fact that promiscuity has been a major reason for increases in teenage pregnancy and abortion throughout all ages. If you can convince people that babies are ok to kill, then it's really easy to tell people that mom doesn't need dad either. Well, lookie there, we just killed the 'family' too!

Society starts with social norms. Change social norms and you change society. Take a society that's been based around family and marriage and turn it into one that only points kids at 'feeling good' and hiding them from consequences...well, you get America today.

We need a lot more social pressure, a lot more shame, and a lot more consequential impact upon our children so they learn about that BEFORE they supposedly become adults. As of right now, America, through the Left's culture war, has become really good at rearing grown-up sized children.

Abortion is one of the core tenets of the 'new' society we live in, and we need to remove that tenet to begin to be a healthy society again.

 

[Marduk]

We need a lot more social pressure, a lot more shame, and a lot more consequential impact upon our children so they learn about that BEFORE they supposedly become adults. As of right now, America, through the Left's culture war, has become really good at rearing grown-up sized children.

Abortion is one of the core tenets of the 'new' society we live in, and we need to remove that tenet to begin to be a healthy society again.

Unfortunately that is practically impossible in the anonymous world of multi million cities.

Edit: The crowd went with the truck who was just trying to go about it's day as they illegally blocked the street, and these asshats frame it as 'plowing through a crowd'.

And here we have an excellent demonstration of left's riot apologia.
The honest description would be "Many dumb people engage in traffic law violations, endangering themselves and others, and vandalize a vehicle, all while trying to illegaly block public roads for political reasons."

 

[Bear Ribs]

So, after being forbidden communion by Archbishop Cordileoni for her abortion stance, Nancy Pelosi went to a church in DC and got it anyway.

Nancy Pelosi receives communion, speaks out against archbishop who banned her from eucharist

U S House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif , reportedly took communion at a Catholic church in Washington, D C , Sunday and spoke out Tuesday after Archbishop Salvatore Cordileone of San Francisco ...

www.christianpost.com

However apparently that was the right thing to do, as she's now traveled to the Vatican where she was seated in the VIP section and given communion in a Papal Mass under Pope Francis.

Pelosi receives Communion in Vatican despite abortion stance

Pelosi’s home archbishop has said he will no longer allow her to receive the sacrament in his archdiocese because of her support for abortion rights.

www.politico.com

Based on messages and threads I'm seeing this is generating a fair chunk of controversy in the Catholic Church.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Unfortunately that is practically impossible in the anonymous world of multi million cities.

I disagree. It's very possible. You just have to start at the bottom. It's a change that won't happen top-down. Extremely difficult and long term, but also extremely worthwhile.

Based on messages and threads I'm seeing this is generating a fair chunk of controversy in the Catholic Church.

As there should be. The Heretic Pelosi is NOT a good representative for the Catholic Church. In fact, people like her are one of the major reasons the Catholics are bleeding supporters.