Tanks and other Armoured Vehicles Image thread.

[GROGNARD]

I love my MRYMIDONs. Myrmidon

they got a thicc .... tailgate.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

OK, I'll play!

 

[BF110C4]

I love my MRYMIDONs. Myrmidon

they got a thicc .... tailgate.

Feels like the rear door of a Merkava (the RL Israeli tank), a skirt made of chains to cover its vulnerable backside and it would be perfect.

 

[TheRejectionist]

It's an early 2000s excel sheet, fortunately enough, though has a wee bit of lag when you're doing some crazy things.

Also, tax:

Myrmidon Medium Tank from Battletech. Can be a nasty customer if you're not careful.

A near-future MBT, the top is a prototype variant, the lower is a production variant with an urban kit slapped onto it.

Also, some Traveller.

My Plan was making a tank fit for rainforest warfare.

Which despite me being from Brazil I have no idea how said tank needs or would work.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Wide tracks for lower ground pressure, high enough ground clearance so you don't get stuck on tree stumps and dozer blade or hedgerow cutter, to force your way through the undergrowth. There would probably need to be a hard limit on weight and flotation ability would be a big plus.

 

[Aaron Fox]

My Plan was making a tank fit for rainforest warfare.

Which despite me being from Brazil I have no idea how said tank needs or would work.

Hm, you'll need low ground pressure, amphib capability, and high ground clearance at the minimum. Due to the conditions, you'll be limited in terms of gun (you'll need no bigger than a 105mm gun, most likely gun is a 90mm) caliber, you'll need a sensor suite to minimize its vision problems (things like AESA, LIDAR, PESA, and thermal solve a lot of problems), and a power plant to power it all (which means either a gas-turbine due to their stupidly-high power-to-weight ratio or some form of advanced petrol/diesel engine like GURPS's 'ceramic engine'). Add a dozer blade/hedgerow cutter for undergrowth and you'll be fine.

 

[Doomsought]

Lidar doesn't handle clutter well, you are better off with raydar with a wavelength high enough to go through trees. With the amount of obstructions, a hull mounted mortar like a MERKVA would be very useful for a jungle fighting vehicle.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Hm, you'll need low ground pressure, amphib capability, and high ground clearance at the minimum. Add a dozer blade/hedgerow cutter for undergrowth and you'll be fine.

I am a civvie @Aaron Fox I just understood this. 😂

Lidar doesn't handle clutter well, you are better off with raydar with a wavelength high enough to go through trees. With the amount of obstructions, a hull mounted mortar like a MERKVA would be very useful for a jungle fighting vehicle.

So basically I need to call Israel and be like " hey can you make an Amazon tank?"

 

[PsihoKekec]

So basically I need to call Israel and be like " hey can you make an Amazon tank?

Perhaps someone with jungle experience instead? Brazil has some experience with designing and manufacturing armoured vehicles.

 

[Doomsought]

So basically I need to call Israel and be like " hey can you make an Amazon tank?"

It is more a matter that all the hills and tree cover in jungle environments make indirect fire capability highly desirable, and the Merkava is one of the only tanks I know of with an internal anti-infantry mortar.

 

[TheRejectionist]

It is more a matter that all the hills and tree cover in jungle environments make indirect fire capability highly desirable, and the Merkava is one of the only tanks I know of with an internal anti-infantry mortar.

Can you explain to me like I am 5 ? Because being from what I understand is that lots of you are vets or similar, me I am civvie who like science fiction military and fantasy.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Perhaps someone with jungle experience instead? Brazil has some experience with designing and manufacturing armoured vehicles.

Beyond the OSSORIO I know nothing about it.

 

[Doomsought]

Can you explain to me like I am 5 ? Because being from what I understand is that lots of you are vets or similar, me I am civvie who like science fiction military and fantasy.

Cannon shoot into hill, no hit enemy, bad
mortar shoot over hill, hit enemy, good

 

[The Whispering Monk]

If the vehicle can handle it, I'd want something like a Bushmaster autocannon AND the infantry mortar. Set it up in groups of 3 with 1/3 having a 90mm or 105mm cannon for heavy armor.

Definitely a good idea to make it amphibious in that environment. Though doing that and having the brush cutter/dozer on the front will make design...challenging.

Definitely needs a couple HMGs to deal with flanking infantry as well.

Armor should be able to stand up to all HMG rounds and the lighter AT weapons. Not sure you can armor it like an Abrams and still perform adequately in the chosen environment. Just make sure your operators KNOW that they aren't meant to take on Main Battle Tanks and they'll be OK. Now train them to watch for the heavy ATGMs

 

[Tiamat]

If the vehicle can handle it, I'd want something like a Bushmaster autocannon AND the infantry mortar. Set it up in groups of 3 with 1/3 having a 90mm or 105mm cannon for heavy armor.

Definitely a good idea to make it amphibious in that environment. Though doing that and having the brush cutter/dozer on the front will make design...challenging.

Definitely needs a couple HMGs to deal with flanking infantry as well.

Armor should be able to stand up to all HMG rounds and the lighter AT weapons. Not sure you can armor it like an Abrams and still perform adequately in the chosen environment. Just make sure your operators KNOW that they aren't meant to take on Main Battle Tanks and they'll be OK. Now train them to watch for the heavy ATGMs

Another idea is to have mounting lugs around the vehicle to mount slat/bar armor, or “cage armor“ as some call it, as needed to help provide additional protection against enemy infantry utilizing RPG’s, especially at close range in a jungle environment. In theory the RPGs either will pre-detonate against the steel bars, or will get caught between the bars and fail to go off. The US Army made improvised use of this in Vietnam, then later had them as kits that could be installed on MBTs and IFVs in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[BF110C4]

Also some thought should be put on the width of the theorical rainforest tank, it needs to be as slender as possible and for the same reason it should have a very short barrel in order to traverse on obstacle filled forest.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Wide tracks for lower ground pressure, high enough ground clearance so you don't get stuck on tree stumps and dozer blade or hedgerow cutter, to force your way through the undergrowth. There would probably need to be a hard limit on weight and flotation ability would be a big plus.

Hm, you'll need low ground pressure, amphib capability, and high ground clearance at the minimum. Due to the conditions, you'll be limited in terms of gun (you'll need no bigger than a 105mm gun, most likely gun is a 90mm) caliber, you'll need a sensor suite to minimize its vision problems (things like AESA, LIDAR, PESA, and thermal solve a lot of problems), and a power plant to power it all (which means either a gas-turbine due to their stupidly-high power-to-weight ratio or some form of advanced petrol/diesel engine like GURPS's 'ceramic engine'). Add a dozer blade/hedgerow cutter for undergrowth and you'll be fine.

Another idea is to have mounting lugs around the vehicle to mount slat/bar armor, or “cage armor“ as some call it, as needed to help provide additional protection against enemy infantry utilizing RPG’s, especially at close range in a jungle environment. In theory the RPGs either will pre-detonate against the steel bars, or will get caught between the bars and fail to go off. The US Army made improvised use of this in Vietnam, then later had them as kits that could be installed on MBTs and IFVs in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I might have found someone who can help me. And for free.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Sorry if I didnt tag or reply to you all bit its a bit difficultà on a phone.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Also autocorrect

 

[TheRejectionist]

Spoiler:

Wide tracks for lower ground pressure, high enough ground clearance so you don't get stuck on tree stumps and dozer blade or hedgerow cutter, to force your way through the undergrowth. There would probably need to be a hard limit on weight and flotation ability would be a big plus.

Hm, you'll need low ground pressure, amphib capability, and high ground clearance at the minimum. Due to the conditions, you'll be limited in terms of gun (you'll need no bigger than a 105mm gun, most likely gun is a 90mm) caliber, you'll need a sensor suite to minimize its vision problems (things like AESA, LIDAR, PESA, and thermal solve a lot of problems), and a power plant to power it all (which means either a gas-turbine due to their stupidly-high power-to-weight ratio or some form of advanced petrol/diesel engine like GURPS's 'ceramic engine'). Add a dozer blade/hedgerow cutter for undergrowth and you'll be fine.

Lidar doesn't handle clutter well, you are better off with raydar with a wavelength high enough to go through trees. With the amount of obstructions, a hull mounted mortar like a MERKVA would be very useful for a jungle fighting vehicle.

If the vehicle can handle it, I'd want something like a Bushmaster autocannon AND the infantry mortar. Set it up in groups of 3 with 1/3 having a 90mm or 105mm cannon for heavy armor.

Definitely a good idea to make it amphibious in that environment. Though doing that and having the brush cutter/dozer on the front will make design...challenging.

Definitely needs a couple HMGs to deal with flanking infantry as well.

Armor should be able to stand up to all HMG rounds and the lighter AT weapons. Not sure you can armor it like an Abrams and still perform adequately in the chosen environment. Just make sure your operators KNOW that they aren't meant to take on Main Battle Tanks and they'll be OK. Now train them to watch for the heavy ATGMs

Another idea is to have mounting lugs around the vehicle to mount slat/bar armor, or “cage armor“ as some call it, as needed to help provide additional protection against enemy infantry utilizing RPG’s, especially at close range in a jungle environment. In theory the RPGs either will pre-detonate against the steel bars, or will get caught between the bars and fail to go off. The US Army made improvised use of this in Vietnam, then later had them as kits that could be installed on MBTs and IFVs in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Also some thought should be put on the width of the theorical rainforest tank, it needs to be as slender as possible and for the same reason it should have a very short barrel in order to traverse on obstacle filled forest.

This it's a preview of the tank looks like so far, the guy helping is trying to find also better images @Tiamat @BF110C4 @The Whispering Monk @Doomsought @Butch R. Mann @Aaron Fox below what the guy commented on it.

Spoiler

My first take on a possible contender for your TL. The Jaguar is based on an ASCOD AFV hull mounting the turret from the Russian BMP-T Terminator. The turret mounts 4 x 130mm Ataka-T anti-tank guided missile launchers, 2 x 30mm 2A42 autocannons (850 rounds, 1 x 7.62mm PKTM machine gun (2,000 rounds) and 12 x 902A automatic smoke grenade launchers. I have also opted for 2 x 60mm automatic mortars mounted in a secondary turret at the rear. Along with a full day/night fire-control system the main turret also mounts a LIDAR for an (effectively) passive 360 degrees sensor.

I would also recommend that the vehicle carry a version of the Trophy missile defence system - The system includes the Elta EL/M-2133[4] F/G band fire-control radar with four flat-panel antennas mounted on the vehicle, with a 360-degree field of view. When a projectile is detected, the internal computer calculates an approach vector before the projectile arrives. Once the incoming weapon is classified, the computers calculate the optimal time and angle to fire the counter-measures. The response comes from two rotating launchers installed on the sides of the vehicle which fire a very small number of a MEFPs (Multiple Explosively Formed Penetrators) which form a very tight, precise matrix, aimed at a specific point on the anti-tank projectile's warhead. The system is designed to have a very small kill zone so that it does not endanger personnel near the protected vehicle.

Unfortunately, good images are proving very hard to come by. As it is, I would have preferred/intended to use the BMP-T Terminator 2 turret - an image of which I showed you earlier but could not find any images I could use...

I will keep looking.