Tanks and other Armoured Vehicles Image thread.

[TheRejectionist]

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This it's a preview of the tank looks like so far, the guy helping is trying to find also better images @Tiamat @BF110C4 @The Whispering Monk @Doomsought @Butch R. Mann @Aaron Fox below what the guy commented on it.

@Tiamat @BF110C4 @The Whispering Monk @Doomsought @Butch R. Mann @Aaron Fox sorry for the wall text but it was kinda needed

 

[The Whispering Monk]

I would aim for a anti-tank missile package that's a bit more compact and less prone to getting tangled up in jungle vines, branches etc... Something more like the Bradley TOW system here:



Looks like this when not deployed to fire:

 

[TheRejectionist]

I would aim for a anti-tank missile package that's a bit more compact and less prone to getting tangled up in jungle vines, branches etc... Something more like the Bradley TOW system here:

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Looks like this when not deployed to fire:
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@The Whispering Monk So the guy making replied

Yes it would, but so would any vehicle with a remote weapon system/turret. No vehicle wheeled or tracked is going to be crashing through dense primary jungle. They will either be in secondary jungle conditions and/or using available tracks. The thicker the jungle the less external bits you want sticking out - machine guns, smoke discharges, external stowage all has to go - which kind of defeats your initial description of what you wanted the vehicle to look like.

 

[BF110C4]

If you're using a missile better use a laser guided or an advanced infrared missile, wire guided versions might tangle in the jungle plus heat seekers should work better than fine on tanks that are kept under the sun all day, especially in low visibility due to the same jungle.

 

[TheRejectionist]

If you're using a missile better use a laser guided or an advanced infrared missile, wire guided versions might tangle in the jungle plus heat seekers should work better than fine on tanks that are kept under the sun all day, especially in low visibility due to the same jungle.

From the guy making My tank ( for free )with two additivo al versions besides the "prototype" above :

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My first stab at the Jaguar is too big, there is no real need for long-range missiles given the enclosed nature of where it will be operating, the whole thing is overkill and would probably float like a brick! I
think I have the perfect solution utilising a couple of unique designs I drew up a year or two ago - one tracked and one wheeled.
Will get back to you later with Jaguar (T) Mk II and Jaguar (W) Mk III 👍🙂

 

[Husky_Khan]

Spanish M113 during Nighttime Military Exercises in Zaragoza.

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[TheRejectionist]

Spanish M113 during Nighttime Military Exercises in Zaragoza.

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Almost looks like stuff you see on deviantart or fiverr.

 

[TheRejectionist]

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I used to think that it looked ridiculous when I saw American movies and they asked : "where do you see yourself in 20 years ?" and me, a poor adolescent from the now almost non-existent favelas, couldn't think of even affording an old Sega console, much less what I would look like when I would be hitting forty. Now, now... now I am a general in the Union Liberation Army. Bear in mind, friend, I wasn't politically active, but I was aware of what it was outside our homeland...the history books call it the Second Cold War, though I would go with my preferred term, the Quiet War. So quiet it was we couldn't see that above and about to happen to us. We thought Venezuela would be first and we probably would have participated in what you instead did first to us...then to them.

The first day, our internet wasn't working.

The second day, even Globo couldn't broadcast.

The third day. Electricity went out. I will let you imagine what happens after a few hours in a poor neighbourhood when lights stop working. It ain't pretty.

Fourth day and we couldn't understand what was going on. Except that our beaches were "speaking English and French" and there were vehicles that seemed copy pasted from a science fiction movie.

Update to my thread, together with the complete models, plus the concept of the PL-01 tank in this snippet intro. @Tiamat @BF110C4 @The Whispering Monk @Doomsought @Butch R. Mann @Aaron Fox

 

[TheRejectionist]

The Osorio was actually discussed previously on The Sietch. Conversation started here.

Late Cold War Cancelled Projects | The Sietch (the-sietch.com)

Hm, you'll need low ground pressure, amphib capability, and high ground clearance at the minimum. Due to the conditions, you'll be limited in terms of gun (you'll need no bigger than a 105mm gun, most likely gun is a 90mm) caliber, you'll need a sensor suite to minimize its vision problems (things like AESA, LIDAR, PESA, and thermal solve a lot of problems), and a power plant to power it all (which means either a gas-turbine due to their stupidly-high power-to-weight ratio or some form of advanced petrol/diesel engine like GURPS's 'ceramic engine'). Add a dozer blade/hedgerow cutter for undergrowth and you'll be fine.

Lidar doesn't handle clutter well, you are better off with raydar with a wavelength high enough to go through trees. With the amount of obstructions, a hull mounted mortar like a MERKVA would be very useful for a jungle fighting vehicle.

If the vehicle can handle it, I'd want something like a Bushmaster autocannon AND the infantry mortar. Set it up in groups of 3 with 1/3 having a 90mm or 105mm cannon for heavy armor.

Definitely a good idea to make it amphibious in that environment. Though doing that and having the brush cutter/dozer on the front will make design...challenging.

Definitely needs a couple HMGs to deal with flanking infantry as well.

Armor should be able to stand up to all HMG rounds and the lighter AT weapons. Not sure you can armor it like an Abrams and still perform adequately in the chosen environment. Just make sure your operators KNOW that they aren't meant to take on Main Battle Tanks and they'll be OK. Now train them to watch for the heavy ATGMs

Top 10 Armored Personnel Carriers | Military-Today.com what do you guys think of cross between the EITAN APC and a Kurgonets or Bumerang APC ?

 

[Aaron Fox]

Top 10 Armored Personnel Carriers | Military-Today.com what do you guys think of cross between the EITAN APC and a Kurgonets or Bumerang APC ?

You're better off using the tracked APC for the base design, largely because jungle means tracks are superior to wheels, and they have less ground pressure if you set them up properly.

 

[TheRejectionist]

You're better off using the tracked APC for the base design, largely because jungle means tracks are superior to wheels, and they have less ground pressure if you set them up properly.

Tracked APC. What else?

 

[Aaron Fox]

Tracked APC. What else?

I would recommend a 90mm gun, 105mm at the largest, largely because of the HE shells.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Well, Russians did somehow manage to get 125 mm gun onto amphibious/airborne platform (Sprut SD) but that's at the cost of paper thin armour. I reckon that for your needs the Cockerill 90 mm gun will be the best option when comparing weight and effectiveness.

 

[BF110C4]

For a fire support variant you can go with a Gun-mortar configuration like the one in the 2S9 Nona, a very light 120mm gun-mortar capable of accepting laser guided rounds and performing direct fire for those occasions in which the canopy of the jungle might detonate rounds prematurely (a frequent cause of friendly fire during the Vietnam War). Antitank rounds can penetrate 650mm of armor at a kilometer and if you develop an indirect fire HEAT round with a good guidance capability you could pack a round capable of hitting a tank top armor at will, which is the most vulnerable of all.

 

[Aaron Fox]

For a fire support variant you can go with a Gun-mortar configuration like the one in the 2S9 Nona, a very light 120mm gun-mortar capable of accepting laser guided rounds and performing direct fire for those occasions in which the canopy of the jungle might detonate rounds prematurely (a frequent cause of friendly fire during the Vietnam War). Antitank rounds can penetrate 650mm of armor at a kilometer and if you develop an indirect fire HEAT round with a good guidance capability you could pack a round capable of hitting a tank top armor at will, which is the most vulnerable of all.

Er, ATGMs are likely to be thrown at the wayside given how ADS and ECM has been developing, meaning that you'll need a gun firing APFSDS instead of an HE chucker.

 

[Husky_Khan]

South Korean K2 Black Panthers on Marvel's Black Panther 2 set (I'm assuming).

 

[TheRejectionist]

So I think about making another fictional APC mostly for troop transport but a bit more aggressive :

EITAN body but with tracks instead of wheels :

With the upper part that you see in the lower left of this picture for the missle launchers and maybe four barrellled machineguns (or what's the proper name, I am a goddamn Humanities university student not a military vehicle engineer 😂) :

@Tiamat @BF110C4 @The Whispering Monk @Doomsought @Butch R. Mann @Aaron Fox @BF110C4 @Aaron Fox

What's your thoughts on it ?

 

[Aaron Fox]

So I think about making another fictional APC mostly for troop transport but a bit more aggressive :

EITAN body but with tracks instead of wheels :

With the upper part that you see in the lower left of this picture for the missle launchers and maybe four barrellled machineguns (or what's the proper name, I am a goddamn Humanities university student not a military vehicle engineer 😂) :

@Tiamat @BF110C4 @The Whispering Monk @Doomsought @Butch R. Mann @Aaron Fox @BF110C4 @Aaron Fox

What's your thoughts on it ?

Looks decent enough, though the extreme float design is too much... it's going to be crossing rivers, not green-water.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Looks decent enough, though the extreme float design is too much... it's going to be crossing rivers, not green-water.

I am at loss / can't understand your last phrase.

 

[BF110C4]

I am at loss / can't understand your last phrase.

Basically that while floating is a desirable characteristic it doesn't need to do so for more than a few minutes at a time so it should have a different armor configuration that protects more from impacts and mines than one optimized for navigation in large bodies of deep water.

In fact considering that one of the main threats its going to be facing are antitank weapons from concealed and dug-in infantry the frontal inferior section becomes a juicy target for RPGs and LAW missiles. The ideal configuration for its armor should be the vehicles in the lower extremes of the chart.