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ATP

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The purpose of matrilineal-only passage of status is that it's inarguable proof of heritage, but with modern genetic testing we've become able to verify paternity to the same degree, as well as the overall ethnic composition. It's an extremely whack insistence on tradition-for-its-own-sake to reject the notion of permitting patrilineal Jewish status provided an actual paternity test out of hand.

At the very least let up on the conversion strictness for this!

Indeed.In old times could be doubt about who was father,but never who was mother.
But,with DNA tests,it is not problem anymore.

And,@GoldRanger ,karaite izraelis is what is left of real jews.So-called Orthodox was made 300-600 AD,and are younger religion then catholics.
That is why they use patrilinear heritage.Jews of old testament did the same.
 

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The purpose of matrilineal-only passage of status is that it's inarguable proof of heritage, but with modern genetic testing we've become able to verify paternity to the same degree, as well as the overall ethnic composition. It's an extremely whack insistence on tradition-for-its-own-sake to reject the notion of permitting patrilineal Jewish status provided an actual paternity test out of hand.

At the very least let up on the conversion strictness for this!
I've heard that Medvedev threatened Israel from sending weapons, etc., to the Ukrainians.
 

WolfBear

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Reform Judaism is mainstream in the US, definitely not in Israel.

Well, Yeah, Israeli Jews are more traditional than their US counterparts. I guess that this makes me happy that I live in the US, albeit with me also having Israeli citizenship. I'd probably get accepted by the Reform movement without a conversion, though it helps that I had a brit milah as an infant, I think.
 

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Well, Yeah, Israeli Jews are more traditional than their US counterparts. I guess that this makes me happy that I live in the US, albeit with me also having Israeli citizenship. I'd probably get accepted by the Reform movement without a conversion, though it helps that I had a brit milah as an infant, I think.
I'm not circumcised, I'm not Jewish by the Halakha (although I'm something like 64% Ashkenazi Jew according to DNA tests) and I live in Israel just fine, voting in free elections, eating bacon and cheezburgers, using electricity and driving on the Shabbat etc.

Israel is by and large not very different from most Mediterranean European countries except in a few select instances that can be considered either minor or major, depending on your lifestyle (such as that it's impossible to marry a Jew in Israel if you're not Jewish, I had to fly to Cyprus for my marriage, but it's recognized in Israel even if not performed in Israel. Also no public transportation on Shabbat).
 
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Why Izrael supported Moscov so much?
"Dauble Genocide Theory" - everybody who claim,that somebody else then jews were genocided,is liar and enemy.
So,they support commies who claim that there were no commie genocides.

For that reason,they supported Moscov against Georgia in 2008/they gave kgb codes to georgian drones/
 
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WolfBear

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I'm not circumcised, I'm not Jewish by the Halakha (although I'm something like 64% Ashkenazi Jew according to DNA tests) and I live in Israel just fine, voting in free elections, eating bacon and cheezburgers, using electricity and driving on the Shabbat etc.

Israel is by and large not very different from most Mediterranean European countries except in a few select instances that can be considered either minor or major, depending on your lifestyle (such as that it's impossible to marry a Jew in Israel if you're not Jewish, I had to fly to Cyprus for my marriage, but it's recognized in Israel even if not performed in Israel. Also no public transportation on Shabbat).

Is your wife Jewish? Also, apologies for asking, but what is your birthplace (as in, what city)? I would presume somewhere in the ex-USSR, right? And is your remaining 36% of your ancestry Russian, Belarusian, Ukrainian, or other?
 

WolfBear

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Why Izrael supported Moscov so much?
Dauble Genocide Theory" - everybody who claim,that somebody else then jews were genocided,is liar and enemy.
So,they support commies who claim that there were no commie genocides.

For that reason,they supported Moscov against Georgia in 2008/they gave kgb codes to georgian drones/

I think that Israel simply doesn't want Russia to place obstacles to Jewish emigration like the Soviet Union did in the past.
 

GoldRanger

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Is your wife Jewish? Also, apologies for asking, but what is your birthplace (as in, what city)? I would presume somewhere in the ex-USSR, right? And is your remaining 36% of your ancestry Russian, Belarusian, Ukrainian, or other?
Yes to both.
 

WolfBear

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@GoldRanger What are your thoughts on Israel's settlement enterprise? My own view is that Israel should only build settlements near its own borders and evacuate the rest of them in any final peace deal (and certainly not expand them in the meantime). I do support E-1 construction, though, since presumably a new road to connect Ramallah and Bethlehem can subsequently be constructed to the east of Ma'ale Adummim.

I think that Israel's settlement enterprise near its borders, especially in the Jerusalem area, was a huge success and made the Jewish Jerusalem metropolitan area much larger than it was pre-1967. But I also think that settlements such as Ariel are unnecessary and should be evacuated in any final peace deal. But certainly not destroyed: The homes, schools, parks, pools, et cetera there can be resettled by Palestinian Arabs. :)
 
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GoldRanger

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I think that it's a red herring. Settlements were evacuated in Gaza, it led to more terrorism, not less. There was also more than enough terrorism before the first settlement was ever founded. There are 700K Jews living in Judea and Samaria, they're not going to ever be evacuated anyway unless as part of an ethnic cleansing campaign by Palestinian terrorists or something like that.

So all in all, the question of the settlements is one of the least important questions in the conflict.

Ariel is not going to be evacuated, more likely that something like Trump's plan would place it within Israel using complex and convoluted borders, and the Arab "Palestinians" will get territory elsewhere as compensation (again, similar to the Trump plan).
 

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