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I've got nothing against progress and inclusion, but there's a right way to do it. And shoving it down's people's throat and shouting them down when they don't automatically share your opinions is not the right way to do it.

TLDR: In their pursuit of tolerance and acceptance, the so-called champions of virtue have become intolerant and unaccepting.
 
I've got nothing against progress and inclusion, but there's a right way to do it. And shoving it down's people's throat and shouting them down when they don't automatically share your opinions is not the right way to do it.

TLDR: In their pursuit of tolerance and acceptance, the so-called champions of virtue have become intolerant and unaccepting.
I am a huge fan of TFA and TLJ, and being a defender of both is not always fun, but TRoS has gotten me called some pretty stupid things because I did not like what they did with Rey. and I like Rey
 
I was looking through the Star Wars wiki, and it looks like any mention of the Sith Holocaust has been scrubbed. The article about it has been renamed to the "Post–Great Hyperspace War counterinvasion" And I know they changed the name since previous links to the page about the Sith holocaust lead to this one.

While the Article does acknowledge the destruction of Sith cultural heritage it denies any outright genocide, saying that the Republic took the populace prisoner, even going so far as to sever captured Sith Lords from the Force instead of killing them. Despite this it more or less acknowledges that the only Sith who survived this peaceful occupation were those who fled or hid. Also the picture at the top is still labeled "Korriban holocaust".

The article reads like a real-life holocaust denier trying to explain what happened to Europe's Jews.

I don't know how this occurred, but I suspect Disney is trying to get rid of controversial backstory. If so then I find this even worse than what they did to the sequels. It's one thing to make awful new content, but purging old stuff so that no one can see it is just sickening.
 
I was looking through the Star Wars wiki, and it looks like any mention of the Sith Holocaust has been scrubbed. The article about it has been renamed to the "Post–Great Hyperspace War counterinvasion" And I know they changed the name since previous links to the page about the Sith holocaust lead to this one.

While the Article does acknowledge the destruction of Sith cultural heritage it denies any outright genocide, saying that the Republic took the populace prisoner, even going so far as to sever captured Sith Lords from the Force instead of killing them. Despite this it more or less acknowledges that the only Sith who survived this peaceful occupation were those who fled or hid. Also the picture at the top is still labeled "Korriban holocaust".

The article reads like a real-life holocaust denier trying to explain what happened to Europe's Jews.

I don't know how this occurred, but I suspect Disney is trying to get rid of controversial backstory. If so then I find this even worse than what they did to the sequels. It's one thing to make awful new content, but purging old stuff so that no one can see it is just sickening.
I highly dout disney gives a fuck about what Wikis are and what they have. If they did it would be diffrent. Probrably someone who was hurt by what it was talking about painting his perfect Republic as Nazi equivilents. When Nazis wernt the only ones to Genocide...
 
No, they just claimed the Sith committed species-wide mass suicide. Also, they conveniently forgot to scrub how the Jedi and the Republic still forbade the Sith Language and didn't limit their eradication of Sith knowledge to just the arts of magic and alchemy, but also cultural legacies, such as a 40k-style library planet holding not just academies of magic and alchemy, but also museums and libraries containing artworks and literature going back thousands of years.
 
No, they just claimed the Sith committed species-wide mass suicide. Also, they conveniently forgot to scrub how the Jedi and the Republic still forbade the Sith Language and didn't limit their eradication of Sith knowledge to just the arts of magic and alchemy, but also cultural legacies, such as a 40k-style library planet holding not just academies of magic and alchemy, but also museums and libraries containing artworks and literature going back thousands of years.
Ah yes because Species who aren't suffering the problems of the Asgard from Stargate or something similar and are thus utterly doomed obviously commit mass suicide all the time. I mean I suppose the Sith could have done a massively large ritual that made everyone in the Republic and Jedi idiots who due to said ritual would be so stupid as to destroy the only source of knowledge of who to undue said ritual but what are the odds of this being the case?
 
No, they just claimed the Sith committed species-wide mass suicide. Also, they conveniently forgot to scrub how the Jedi and the Republic still forbade the Sith Language and didn't limit their eradication of Sith knowledge to just the arts of magic and alchemy, but also cultural legacies, such as a 40k-style library planet holding not just academies of magic and alchemy, but also museums and libraries containing artworks and literature going back thousands of years.
No it did mention stuff about occupying them and taking prisoners. These quotes are from the second and third paragraphs after the Republic occupation section in the article.

As the Republic began to rebuild and recover from the Sith occupation of its core worlds, Supreme Chancellor Pultimo authorized a joint Jedi-Republic counterinvasion of the Sith Worlds aimed at assuring the complete destruction of the Empire[21] and any vestigial threat it posed to the safety of the Republic.[8][10] The Chancellor and his political allies framed this invasion as a battle against the institutions of the Empire rather than a war for the extermination of its citizenry,[9] stating that such actions were necessary to free the Sith species from the dark-sided corruption under which it had suffered for centuries.[9]

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Invasion of Korriban

Across the Sith Worlds, battleships and bombers laid waste to Sith military complexes and centers of power[21] while Republic strike teams on the ground captured Sith survivors and refugees en masse.[10] Though some groups of Sith survivors continued to resist the Republic occupation militarily,[9] the Jedi avoided killing captured or surrendered Sith outright—instead, adopting the practice implemented by Jedi Knight Odan-Urr,[47] the Jedi chose to sever their respective connections to the Force.
While mass suicides are mentioned in the article, if the Republic had occupied them peacefully, as was claimed, there still would have enough left for a population to survive centuries later. Also I did acknowledge that the parts about the cultural destruction were left in.

Though I do admit that Disney may not be behind this. It may just be some outraged Jedi fanboy.
 
Ah...the Mandalorian...along with Rogue One a puzzling paradox because it shows that Lucasfilm is able to give the fandom what it deserves, and yet is unable to do that with the main films.
I think it is choice of director what is going on.
Has they chosen a diffrent writer and director for the ST, perhaps things would be diffrent.
 
Honestly, I find the bardcore version to be less good than the original. It misses this specific thing I can't point a finger at yet, I need to think about it.
Speaking for myself, it's a matter of *bombast* (bombad bombast, one might even say :p ).
The Imperial March, even to a non-music-nerd person like me who can barely describe her own feelings on why she likes a piece of music, is awe-inspiring and dramatic because of the bombast and authority invoked by it being, well, an orchestral march that has numerous violins, trumpets, and other instruments working in symphony. And to an extent, the out-of-universe knowledge that it's the theme for the galaxy-dominating Empire--an Empire that demands all this synchronization and conformity and forced unity in its population--factors into that music itself as a theme of that empire.

Simplifying a work down to an essential tune using limited instrumentation as the medieval stuff does can work and be a neat twist on something. In some cases it can carry the 'theme' of the work and removing the flourishes makes it more interesting itself (personally, I think it's the case with a lot of the pop songs that get the treatment--and you see something of a corollary in the Cantina song, for instance*). But you're going to encounter trouble when you try to pull that simplification trick on a piece of music that is built around being complex and symphonic as part of its very theme that it was written around.

*Or, as another comparison, the Duel of the Fates. Which, to me, still 'works' in the different style. It doesn't lose the grandness or theme that is central to it--it's just reoriented to a different sound.
 
The Sith were genocided. At the same time Sith society was intimately tied to the dark side, both in the pre exile era, and afterwards.

We're talking about a people who lived and died enmeshed in and dancing in the dark.

Certain species in SW, the Rakata, Sith, and the like have an intimate connection to the dark side of the force, and their connection to the force is reflective of their own nature.

Sith animosity to the republic was even without the exile ruling class a given.
 
The Old Sith Empire was a more aggressive and martial society than most, even when compared to the Mandalorians at their worst. It was an expansionist force with dreams of imperial glory, but it was a far cry from Palpatine's totalitarian nightmare. It thrived for thousands of years, whilst Darth Sidious scarcely clung onto power for twenty. Indeed, I often wonder whether or not some ancient Sith would see the Galactic Empire as the work of a maniac that had to be stopped.

As a civilisation with all its knowledge, achievements and rich, ancient culture, it did not deserve extermination (I don't think any civilisation does). Even Jedi Masters chronicling the events of the Great Hyperspace War over a thousand years later considered the genocide excessive and needlessly cruel. Oh yes, the Sith had every reason to have a chip on the shoulder about that when they returned over a thousand years later.
 
The fact that the vast majority of the (True) Sith were able to build lasting relationships, forge bonds, start families, and build a civilization, culture, and society that lasted for thousands of years proves the notion that they are pure evil and deserve extermination wrong. And that's without getting into the fact that genocide is wrong, period.

Furthermore, to preempt the argument that the Ancient Sith had a rigid caste society as evidence of their civilization and society's moral bankruptcy...hey, the Indians IRL have a rigid caste society too. I guess that means their culture and society are morally bankrupt, huh? Oh wait...

And for all that Sith civilization is full of infighting and bloodshed being further proof of how they are fundamentally incapable of peaceful coexistence and should be wiped out for the greater good...so was and remains RL Human civilization. I guess that means we're evil and should be wiped out.
 

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