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Does anyone else feel like the Inquisitors are wasted? I reckon there was a really cool idea at the heart of it but a lack of imagination and Dave Filoni's refusal to put his OCs in any real danger has completely gutted it.

The Inquisitorious should have been essentially been Warhammer's Holy Inquisition but with lightsabres and force powers. Not baby seals to be humiliated by the heroes.

I disagree. I think the way the Inquisitorius is set up is completely sensible -- low level Dark Side acolytes who can handle the scut work of pursuing leads on surviving Jedi and have enough combat training to handle the typical "ex-Padawan" survivor, but don't get full-up so they don't get any ambitions about becoming a full-fledged Dark Jedi / Sith Apprentices.

Frankly, Palpatine would have had to be a moron to do otherwise. You do not want more Sith running around.
 
Absolutely agreed. They even gave that one-off Inquisitor in their vignette TotJ series a pretty cool design... and then he dies like a chump, never even getting named. The Ahsoka trailer reveals another (presumed) Inquisitor, also with a pretty cool design. I fear they'll pull the same stunt again.
Ahsoka was trained by two of the best combatants in the entire history of the Jedi Order and is on a tier of combat capability where she can duel Vader and not get pwned. She absolutely should take down absolutely any lesser Dark Sider with ease.
 
is on a tier of combat capability where she can duel Vader and not get pwned.
And that's bullshit. That is literally Dave Filoni not wanting to put his OCs in serious danger because Tano is, at the most charitable, a low tier Jedi Knight/very experienced Padawan.

She should not have walked away from not only the most prolific Jedi killer in history, but one of the top two or three most powerful Sith Lords of all time.
 
And that's bullshit. That is literally Dave Filoni not wanting to put his OCs in serious danger because Tano is, at the most charitable, a low tier Jedi Knight/very experienced Padawan.

She should not have walked away from not only the most prolific Jedi killer in history, but one of the top two or three most powerful Sith Lords of all time.
The only justification for that would be if Vader let her go. I doubt it but I would actually be willing to hear the argument considering he might view her as the only friend he had that didn't stab him in the back. after all she got kicked out of the jedi before his fall.
 
The only justification for that would be if Vader let her go. I doubt it but I would actually be willing to hear the argument considering he might view her as the only friend he had that didn't stab him in the back. after all she got kicked out of the jedi before his fall.
I could accept that. Indeed I'd almost be happy with it because it shows Anakin is still in there and not completely irredeemable (he couldn't bring himself to kill his son, so it stands to reason he couldn't bring himself to kill his apprentice). Might even have tolerated James Earl Jones saying "goodbye, snips" but I'm undecided.
 
And that's bullshit. That is literally Dave Filoni not wanting to put his OCs in serious danger because Tano is, at the most charitable, a low tier Jedi Knight/very experienced Padawan.

She should not have walked away from not only the most prolific Jedi killer in history, but one of the top two or three most powerful Sith Lords of all time.
Ahsoka's overall skill level with Force abilities etc would be "very experienced Padawan", but the events of the Clone Wars series make it canonical that she has far more actual combat experience than the the vast majority of Jedi Knights and even most Jedi Masters, simply because she was constantly on the front lines with Obi-Wan and Anakin.

She also didn't actually walk away from that fight -- I said she was good enough to not get instantly pwwned, not good enough to actually defeat Vader.
 
I could accept that. Indeed I'd almost be happy with it because it shows Anakin is still in there and not completely irredeemable (he couldn't bring himself to kill his son, so it stands to reason he couldn't bring himself to kill his apprentice). Might even have tolerated James Earl Jones saying "goodbye, snips" but I'm undecided.
At least it isn't as lore breaking as Vader finding Obi Wan Kenobi before the Death Star.
 
Regardless, the whole argument that killing off the Inquisitor like a chump is a valid choice because Ahsoka is supposedly Just That Good™ is missing the point. Even if we take it as a given that Ahsoka is legitimately that powerful (which I don't, but let's say so for the sake of argument)... it's still a story-telling fuck-up to then create a good villain design and immediately put that villain up against a much stronger hero.

It's a waste of a good design. That's the point. It's also shit story-telling, because weak villains create no tension. (Otherwise known as "the Kylo problem".)
 
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At least it isn't as lore breaking as Vader finding Obi Wan Kenobi before the Death Star.
Oh God Emperor's gold plated ball sack, don't get me started on that.

You can't really improve on a shit sandwich, but if I had to portray that, after losing to Obi Wan, Anakin fully comes out and begs for death. He can't live with what he's done, and doesn't want to carry on living the way he is. Obi Wan, conflicted and perhaps suspecting a trap, turns his back on his apprentice once again. Vader's screams thereafter take on a different meaning.

That was something I came up with in five minutes.

Don't judge me.

Regardless, the whole argument that killing off the Inquisitor like a chump is a valid choice because Ahsoka is supposedly Just That Good™ is missing the point. Even if we take it as a given that Ahsoka is legitimately that powerful (which I don't, but let's say so for the sake of argument)... it's still a story-telling fuck-up to then create a good villain design and immediately put that villain up against a much stronger hero.

It's a waste of a good design. That's the point. It's also shit story-telling, because weak villains create no tension. (Otherwise known as "the Kylo problem".)

If anything, an Inquisitor (preferably that Inquisitor) should have been Ahsoka's real nemesis throughout the reign of the Empire as she falls completely beneath Vader's radar. Imagine that particular Inquisitor design married to a lightsaber wielding Inspector Javert personality who hunts her for decades.
 
Oh God Emperor's gold plated ball sack, don't get me started on that.

You can't really improve on a shit sandwich, but if I had to portray that, after losing to Obi Wan, Anakin fully comes out and begs for death. He can't live with what he's done, and doesn't want to carry on living the way he is. Obi Wan, conflicted and perhaps suspecting a trap, turns his back on his apprentice once again. Vader's screams thereafter take on a different meaning.

That was something I came up with in five minutes.

Don't judge me.



If anything, an Inquisitor (preferably that Inquisitor) should have been Ahsoka's real nemesis throughout the reign of the Empire as she falls completely beneath Vader's radar. Imagine that particular Inquisitor design married to a lightsaber wielding Inspector Javert personality who hunts her for decades.
If you made me do something with Obi wan in this era it would have been done very differently. I would have made him use a blaster and wear a mask. Seriously Jedi can be crazy when they bother with blasters. He wouldn't have done anything with Leia. That draws way too much attention to her. He wouldn't fight Vader. That is suicide. at most he holds off on the lightsaber until the final episode when he fights an Inquisitor. You would need to come up with a very good reason to leave his vigil keeping an eye on Luke. My brother brought up his Mando lover. I don't remember what happened to her so maybe that would work.
 
If you made me do something with Obi wan in this era it would have been done very differently. I would have made him use a blaster and wear a mask. Seriously Jedi can be crazy when they bother with blasters. He wouldn't have done anything with Leia. That draws way too much attention to her. He wouldn't fight Vader. That is suicide. at most he holds off on the lightsaber until the final episode when he fights an Inquisitor. You would need to come up with a very good reason to leave his vigil keeping an eye on Luke. My brother brought up his Mando lover. I don't remember what happened to her so maybe that would work.
Oh yeah if it were down to me any Obi Wan series during the age of the Empire would be entirely centered on Tantooine with maybe the local Imperial garrison being a bother (or of help at times) to him. Otherwise, it's just the usual scum of Mos Eisley or Tuskens he's having to deal with.
 
Absolutely agreed. They even gave that one-off Inquisitor in their vignette TotJ series a pretty cool design... and then he dies like a chump, never even getting named. The Ahsoka trailer reveals another (presumed) Inquisitor, also with a pretty cool design. I fear they'll pull the same stunt again.

Otherwise, it'll just be another Reva (as seen in the Obi-Wan series), which was just... a garbage plot.

I get that Rebels had the draw-back of being a kids' series (more so than TCW), so I'll dock no points for how nerfed and useless the Inquisitors were, there.

Fallen Order, however, did a bit of a better job, and the reason Reva is such a useless character is that's she's very obviously a knock-off Trilla. An inferior copy of the same idea.

They could have done a lot with the Inquisitors, but they wasted the whole idea nine out of ten times.


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Palpatine didn't give a single flying fuck about the Rule of Two.




No, those existed for more 'mundane' political dissidence. The Inquisitors were for the Force-related shit, largely because Vader (however powerful) is just one dude and can't be everywhere. There are still Jedi in hiding, so having Inquisitors in the early period of Palpatine's rule is perfectly sensible, and indeed much-needed.

A case can be made for going "night of the long knives" on most (or perhaps even all) of them once you're confident that virtually all Jedi have been hunted down, though.




So... Sith business as usual?




Not doing so would also pose a danger -- quite possibly far more acute -- of allowing too many Jedi to slip into hiding. Possibly to places where they might gather their forces to begin an insurgency.

Palpatine, by the way, consistently took enormous risks. He's very typically psychopathic in that regard, as in all other regards. So this argument by no means stops him from doing a thing.




That's just plain wrong. Not one single source indicates that the Jedi were "breeding out" Force-sensitivity. On the contrary: it's made explicit (in both continuities!) that the Jedi only ever discovered a very small faction of the Force-sensitives. In most untrained ones, the Force-sensitivity would fade away due to lack of practice.

Even if you assume that Force-sensitivity is wholly hereditary, then, it's still undisputed that the Jedi practice of taking on some of the Force-sensitives into their Order had no appreciable effect on the genetic substrate of "Force genes" among the wider populace.

Moreover, Force-sensitivity explicitly isn't (exclusively) hereditary. It can and does appear in individuals at random, regardless of their genetics.

In short: neither the activities of the Jedi nor their extermination had any meaningful effect on the number of potential Force-users being born in the galaxy at any given time.
It was Sith business as usual before the RoT was established.

Sith are not disciplined they will start tearing each other apart like rabid dogs the second they think they can get the upper hand over the rest.
 
Oh yeah if it were down to me any Obi Wan series during the age of the Empire would be entirely centered on Tantooine with maybe the local Imperial garrison being a bother (or of help at times) to him. Otherwise, it's just the usual scum of Mos Eisley or Tuskens he's having to deal with.
The idea of Obi Wan needing to operate as a guy who needs to maintain his secrecy while still needing to handle when Tuskens get too close for comfort or if gangs start making too much trouble while occasionally needing to work with the overburdened underequipped local imperial garrison all while still working in a few scenes with young Luke so he can still be known as Crazy Old Ben. it would work. still would want to keep him from using the lightsaber as much as possible. he can't let that be known. but having him use the force in subtle and creative ways while paired with a blaster. great fun.
 
The only justification for that would be if Vader let her go. I doubt it but I would actually be willing to hear the argument considering he might view her as the only friend he had that didn't stab him in the back. after all she got kicked out of the jedi before his fall.
I wanna note, that's not what happened, at all. Ahsoka was able to fight Vader and hold him off for a couple of minutes, in a fighting retreat for a good bit of it though she did a few charges of her own. This bought enough time for Ezra and co. to escape before Vader beat her down enough to put her on her knees and then went to decapitate her.

Ezra then used a force-powered artifact/device/dimension created by The Ones to teleport her out a millisecond ahead of Vader's lightsaber. This is it's own flavor of stupid as I don't approve of the time travel/space teleportation aspects, seems very much more a Trek thing than a Wars thing, but she wasn't walking away from a fight with Vader.
 
Plus Anakin did have a fairly strong relationship with Ahsoka. Not as close as with his actual family of course but still quite significant. He was supposedly rattled upon meeting Obi Wan for the first time in decades on the Death Star IIRC. Vader was usually pretty unflappable but Ahsoka is probably one of the few people that could actually impress upon on him with their presence alone.
 
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Isn't that the show that everyone and anyone aside from KK and her sheep-like clique are trying to stop/kill? And which may be killed because KK is being investigated for what's basically money laundering/fraud to fund said money sink?

Yeah, I get the feeling that show isn't happening.
 

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