They did that to a degree; note the twin-seat, shielded, hyperdrive-equipped TIE with tail guns in the first movie.
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They did that to a degree; note the twin-seat, shielded, hyperdrive-equipped TIE with tail guns in the first movie.
LindyAF
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True, but we only really see that used by the escaping main characters - there's a more common model which is very much more classic TIE in conception which evidently sees a lot more use.
KilroywasNOTHere
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I embrace the darkside XD
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Val the Moofia Boss
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If you mean if we will get a good, high quality, big budget space opera that does all of those things and shared the same values as the Star Wars OT, no I don't think so. You don't really see people funding high quality art out of their own pockets for the sake of creating art rather than purely profit like Lucas did. I guess maybe James Cameron is the last auteur in Hollywood but he isn't making the kind of space opera you're looking for. Otherwise, the only big budget stuff being funded nowadays is by Hollywood...
There are plenty of space opera novels out there. There is probably one that might be along the lines of what you want. Sadly public school conditions people to avoid reading because they are forced to read boring, unfun books so people grow up thinking that books aren't enjoyable.
Firefly and Cowboy Bebop have that adventurous feel that follows freelancers in their worn down spaceships.
There are also quite a few games that feel sorta like Star Wars in aesthetics, namely Chris Roberts' games: Wing Commander, Freelancer, and Star Citizen (sadly the singleplayer campaign doesn't seem to be coming anytime soon... if ever). Ofcourse, there are also officially licensed Star Wars games.
Gundam is vaguely similar to Star Wars in that you have a plucky group of freedom loving rebels who fight against oppressive state regimes, and some vague spiritual stuff thrown in there, though Gundam was written by Japanese so there are no Judeo-Christianic overtones. It's more along the lines of New Age psychic stuff that was popular with hippies in the 80s.
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Some of the new Disney stuff is admittedly a little fun. I just don't accept it as the true Star Wars. It's big budget fan fiction.
Even Avatar clearly shows heavy producer influence. Just look at how the characters and storyline veer away from the "usual tropes" stuff, but get abruptly jerked back to it in ways that *do not actually make sense*.
Probably the most dramatic case in point: Colonel Quaritch shows every sign of being a deeper and more developed character who genuinely cares for his men and even recognizes that the company's actions are morally iffy, but at the same time they're the people paying him and it's his job to be prepared for worst-case contingencies. Then suddenly all the nuance is gone and he's just an ax-crazy killer.
Lord Sovereign
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You know, the Galactic Empire wasn't exactly the most constitutional and humane of governments, but I have come to the conclusion that most of its crimes can be surmised with the words "Tarkin, what the actual fuck?"
Acknowledge it's wretched existence, I do.
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Accept it, I do not.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
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In fairness, the one on the right can actually represent critics admiring the fireball of the narrative train crash that is the Sequels. I think I actually sit there in that regard.
Val the Moofia Boss
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The Galactic Alliance sounds nice. I don't think it makes sense for everyone to want to join the Republic and be forced to conform to its values, but it does make sense that some systems would be amicable enough to want to remain allies. Honestly, if I were writing a sequel to the OT, I'd probably lean more into the Galactic Alliance than the New Republic. The New Republic could be represented as a member of the Alliance. I'm just not really into "The USA/EU/United Nations but in space" that this New Republic is being presented as. At least the Federation has a more unique aesthetic with its spaceships. With this New Republic, the only thing really interesting about it are the many different volunteer companies, sorta like the wide variety of space marine chapters. Leaves a lot of leeway to make up what you want, but fundamentally the New Republic itself as a state is rather boring and unromantic. The Alliance simply has more room for variety and interesting stuff like having cool empires involved on the protagonists' side and such.
This timeline has a rather dismal feel to it, given how the New Republic seems rather corrupt (ie nothing really changed from the Old Republic), and the people have forgotten the sacrifices of their fathers and the evil they fought against, and are thus susceptible to buying into the FO's propaganda. Reminds me of a lot of Tolkien's sequel to LotR which had people forgetting the sacrifices of their fathers and treating the forces of evil as a joke (children even pretending to be orcs for "fun" and satanic worship), allowing evil to fester and slowly take over the Reunited Kingdom of Arnor and Gondor. That really puts on a damper on things knowing that the heroes fought for nothing and doesn't make for fun entertainment, which is why Tolkien abandoned that project. I'm just not on board with the Imperial Remnants being the main enemies after the OT. If you were to commit to this idea, then really lean into the Sith worship part.
Zyobot
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Don't recall if there's anything canonical that supports it, but I've seen it argued that Palpatine never wanted a stable empire to begin with. Rather, he wanted a galaxy of suffering and misery to fuel his own dark powers, facilitated by a mix of civil policies designed to make it as dysfunctional as possible while it lasted and pure, relentless cruelty. (With galactic domination not being the final step most are led to believe, despite mainline media putting it front and center.)
Naturally, the resulting incentive structure would've encouraged the worst of the worst to rise through the ranks and enjoy free reign to torment and torture their way across Imperial space. And who better to do precisely that than Ol' Wilhuff himself?
Don't recall if there's anything canonical that supports it, but I've seen it argued that Palpatine never wanted a stable empire to begin with. Rather, he wanted a galaxy of suffering and misery to fuel his own dark powers, facilitated by a mix of civil policies designed to make it as dysfunctional as possible while it lasted and pure, relentless cruelty. (With galactic domination not being the final step most are led to believe, despite mainline media putting it front and center.)
Naturally, the resulting incentive structure would've encouraged the worst of the worst to rise through the ranks and enjoy free reign to torment and torture their way across Imperial space. And who better to do precisely that than Ol' Wilhuff himself?
Not to mention bumping of Tarkin's son, and then blaming it on the rebels- which has the intended effect of making him even worse, while removing one of his few redeeming qualities.
Because the Old Republic worked that way, and fought a nasty civil war in order to forcibly retain systems that wanted out. Mind you, I"m not saying that was a *good* reason, just that's why the New Republic went that way.
I would point out here that the Rebel Alliance was a loose alliance which included many people who were in it for less than noble reasons, and *especially* politicians who were on the outs with Palpatine's New Order and specifically wanted the corrupt Old Republic back. Likewise, most of the "rogue and smuggler" types sided with the Alliance simply because the Old Republic's law enforcement was corrupt and ineffective whereas the Empire cracked down harshly.
Though, to be fair (to both sides), they were manipulated by evil space wizards. It might have not come to a head, or there might have been a peaceful separation or settlement of some sort. However, even without the evil space wizards, there are still many underlying issues that might have made such a conflict inevitable- which is why I phrased things the way they did. There is some serious galactic history involved.
Yes, and there are also people with mixed motives or people with noble intentions but are not at all good people- and may infact be evil people. Remember, Saw...
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Don't recall if there's anything canonical that supports it, but I've seen it argued that Palpatine never wanted a stable empire to begin with. Rather, he wanted a galaxy of suffering and misery to fuel his own dark powers, facilitated by a mix of civil policies designed to make it as dysfunctional as possible while it lasted and pure, relentless cruelty. (With galactic domination not being the final step most are led to believe, despite mainline media putting it front and center.)
Naturally, the resulting incentive structure would've encouraged the worst of the worst to rise through the ranks and enjoy free reign to torment and torture their way across Imperial space. And who better to do precisely that than Ol' Wilhuff himself?
I think this is a clever way to try and make sense of the Empire as it is today, but I think this has been brought on by years of flanderisation. Ignore even the Old EU, go back to the Original Trilogy, and tell me the Empire was portrayed anywhere nearly as badly as it is these days. Don't get me wrong, they were never the good guys (an autocratic military force that will do whatever it deems fit to stamp order into the galaxy is not going to be pleasant and is intolerable to liberty lovers), but their puppy kicking villainy aspect only seems to truly get started with the EU and, much like Stormtrooper incompetence, has been flanderised from there.
Tarkin was probably the most evil person there, but his destruction of Alderaan was to prove (from his point of view) a point, apocalyptic political consequences be damned. Vader is just doing his job, Piett is a professional, Veers is a stone cold bad ass, and Jerjerrod is a long suffering middle manager. The Emperor meanwhile...well, it's Palpatine.
We know what his political alignment, if not sexual preference, is.
But I find it rather interesting that after Tarkin and the DS-I, Palpatine ultimately takes direct command of the DS-II. If we're going off Original Trilogy, one wonders if that is both a consolidation of his power, and a way for him to stop any trigger happy Moffs going for a joyride with his new toy and doing something stupid.
I find it quite ironic, but also realistic that some of the earliest anti-Imperials were those with close blood relations to high ranking Imperial personnel.
Like Garoche and Rivoche Tarkin or Zevulon Veers.
So the trick is not to aim at them, got it. So use explosives, rapid fire weapons and scatter weapons like shotguns...
Well those deepest among the shit are the most liable to smell it; well those who have not grown blind to the smell...
Absolutely. Flamers rock and launched grenades with a timed fuse, not an impact one (b/c this way it blows up in the Jedi's face even if the Jedi tries to TK the grenade back at ya'), and Turbolaser batteries. You can't deflect a beam that's as wide as your light saber is long.
Sonic weapons are also highly effective.
You can't deflect them at all with a lightsaber.
Makes sense.