Star Wars Star Wars Discussion Thread - LET THE PAST D-! Oh, wait, nevermind

[Bear Ribs]

If it was a Death Star though, building Taris back would be a weee bit more difficult. So the video does have some point. But there's so many planets that it'd take generations or centuries of conflict with Death Star style weapons to truly have a profound impact on the Star Wars galaxy and leaving a dead galaxy... Vong style.

That's a good point, in legends canon the same was true of Tatooine. It was an ocean planet, literally bombarded until the oceans boiled away completely and the entire surface melted into smoking glass to a fair depth. Still, the glass broke down into sand and the planet recovered and developed a new ecosystem. The only reason it didn't get fully terraformed back was a bizarre force curse that caused any metal mined on the planet to rapidly corrode, even in the vacuum of space where corrosion is impossible.

An ISD has an acceleration rate in the thousands of g. Even the crappiest freighters around are rocking dozens to hundreds of g of acceleration. C fractional bombardment is entirely within the ability of anyone with a freighter, an understanding of orbital mechanics, and a calculator.

*Sees multiple ISDs in ESB nearly collide chasing the Millenium Falcon when a banana slug would have enough acceleration to avoid it.*
*Disbelieves.*

And then you get to actual ship to ship weapons. The ones whose conservative yield is measured in the hundreds of megatons per second, and the ones who can be credibly argued go all the way up to the petaton range.

I dunno, their showing isn't always that great. I have trouble estimating this as hundreds of megatons per second, much less petatons.

 

[BlackDragon98]

That's a good point, in legends canon the same was true of Tatooine. It was an ocean planet, literally bombarded until the oceans boiled away completely and the entire surface melted into smoking glass to a fair depth. Still, the glass broke down into sand and the planet recovered and developed a new ecosystem. The only reason it didn't get fully terraformed back was a bizarre force curse that caused any metal mined on the planet to rapidly corrode, even in the vacuum of space where corrosion is impossible.

I remember that part from playing KOTOR with my friend. Czerka tried to start mining ops on Tatooine, only for the metal ore to yeet itself into inexistence every time it comes out of the ground.

*Sees multiple ISDs in ESB nearly collide chasing the Millenium Falcon when a banana slug would have enough acceleration to avoid it.*
*Disbelieves.*

I think it's more a matter of ISD being shitty at stopping due to the amount of momentum generated and crap-ass maneuverability rather than not enough acceleration.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

ISDs are canonically established from literally the very first shot of Star Wars to be quite fast in a straight line -- the Rebel Blockade Runner's entire visual design screams that it's a souped-up hot rod, and yet the pursuing Devastator easily keeps pace with the fleeing Tantive IV.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Having entire political tracts on your dress is apparently the new standard of high fashion.

 

[Bear Ribs]

ISDs are canonically established from literally the very first shot of Star Wars to be quite fast in a straight line -- the Rebel Blockade Runner's entire visual design screams that it's a souped-up hot rod, and yet the pursuing Devastator easily keeps pace with the fleeing Tantive IV.

So basically if the Tantive IV had done a 90 degree turn the ISD would have been completely borked and unable to do anything about it? And Captain Antilles was too dumb to realize this and drove in a straight line instead? Because that's basically where this line of argument leads.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

I've never bought that ANY ship in SW gets upwards of thousands of Gs in acceleration. Nothing I've seen remotely comes close to supporting that.

Hundreds...doubtful as well.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

So basically if the Tantive IV had done a 90 degree turn the ISD would have been completely borked and unable to do anything about it? And Captain Antilles was too dumb to realize this and drove in a straight line instead? Because that's basically where this line of argument leads.

Well no, because just turning and going sideways would still have the Tantive within range of the ISD's weapons, and the ISD does have the ability to turn, just not as quickly and energetically as the Millennium Falcon or a snubfighter. The point is that the ISD repeatedly demonstrates that despite being a large capital ship, it is able to keep up with much smaller ships; neither the Tantive nor the Millennium Falcon is able to simply outrun it, and the Rebel transports escaping Hoth rely on temporary incapacitation of the blockading Star Destroyers by the planetary ion cannon rather than "just run past it".

 

[Bacle]

I think the Tantive got jumped trying to make orbit, or even land, on Tatooine, after the Devastator and Vader followed them from Scariff.

They probably used a sensor similar to one mention in the Black Fleet Crisis, which can track the wake of ship in hyperspace to a limited degree, and tell you when it's dropped out so you do not overshoot it. Even Lando's yacht had such a sensor, so an ISD probably would too.

So Tantive didn't have space or time to do much more than run, as they were trapped in/near a grav well, closer than they had been to Scariff, and try to prep for boarders while Leia got the message off.

Of course the whole 'cannot gump in grav well' thing was kinda ignored in Rogue One and more recently the Mandalorian, and was never high canon to begin with, so maybe that bit of Legends hyperspace lore is no longer a thing for Star Wars.

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

Of course the whole 'cannot gump in grav well' thing was kinda ignored in Rogue One and more recently the Mandalorian, and was never high canon to begin with, so maybe that bit of Legends hyperspace lore is no longer a thing for Star Wars.

See... if it isn't... and the Holdo Maneuver is a thing...

WTF WAS THE POINT OF THE DEATH STAR?

 

[Bear Ribs]

Well no, because just turning and going sideways would still have the Tantive within range of the ISD's weapons, and the ISD does have the ability to turn, just not as quickly and energetically as the Millennium Falcon or a snubfighter. The point is that the ISD repeatedly demonstrates that despite being a large capital ship, it is able to keep up with much smaller ships; neither the Tantive nor the Millennium Falcon is able to simply outrun it, and the Rebel transports escaping Hoth rely on temporary incapacitation of the blockading Star Destroyers by the planetary ion cannon rather than "just run past it".

Watch a rabbit deal with a fox. If Star Destroyers can really accelerate at thousands of Gs, yet can't turn as quickly as a cement truck in a parking lot, simply turning sideways would get the Tantive IV out of range of its guns in milliseconds unless somehow the corvette that's one-third engine only has a tiny fraction of the ISD's acceleration.

 

[Husky_Khan]

The Book of Boba Fett trailer.

 

[Bacle]

Fett taking over parts of the underworld...yeah, this gonna be FUN.

 

[DarthOne]

Fett taking over parts of the underworld...yeah, this gonna be FUN.

Still gonna pirate it if it’s any good though.

 

[Bacle]

Watching A New Hope again, and realized Owen and Beru really should have recognized R2 and 3PO, considering they had 3PO when Anakin came for his mom, and Anakin/Padme had R2 with them.

 

[Captain X]

That's part of why even the prequels came off like bad fanfic to me.

 

[Bacle]

That's part of why even the prequels came off like bad fanfic to me.

I think they tried to shoehorn in too many OT references, and didn't think through some of the plot holes it created.

 

[LindyAF]

R2 could theoretically be a mass produced model?

That's part of why even the prequels came off like bad fanfic to me.

Honestly kind of wish they'd cut the PT too when they cut Legends from canon.

 

[Bacle]

R2 could theoretically be a mass produced model?

Maybe that excuse would fly for R2, but they had 3PO on that farm for a while once Shmi was freed, even if he didn't have his plating.

3PO even told Owen his full name, which should have jogged a memory or two.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Owen and Beru met 3PO and R2D2 maybe once and then never again, were focused on talking to Anakin and Padme, and lastly droids are less than slaves in Star Wars. Why'd you remember a specific piece of furniture that a distant friend or family-member owned?

 

[stephen the barbarian]

Maybe that excuse would fly for R2, but they had 3PO on that farm for a while once Shmi was freed, even if he didn't have his plating.

3PO even told Owen his full name, which should have jogged a memory or two.

i'm guessing that he likely put 2 and 2 together once luke mentioned obi won