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The Empire’s policy towards the Hutts was hands off except for occasional shows of force above Nal Hutta. Just in case the Hutts forgot who was in charge. The Hutts being smart didn’t provoke the empire and worked with it, under the table anyway.

That said palpatine and the empire never seemed interested in actually conquering Hutt Space. At least not in the immediate to medium term anyway.
 
The Empire’s policy towards the Hutts was hands off except for occasional shows of force above Nal Hutta. Just in case the Hutts forgot who was in charge. The Hutts being smart didn’t provoke the empire and worked with it, under the table anyway.

That said palpatine and the empire never seemed interested in actually conquering Hutt Space. At least not in the immediate to medium term anyway.
But in the long term a bunch of SSDs including the Sovereigns and the two Eclipse class ships and the Death Stars plus the Galaxy Gun, the Sun Crusher and a good chunk of the Imperial Navy and of course a very sizable ground force would have been more than sufficient to break the Hutts. Oh it would have been costly but assuming Palpatine was willing to bear said costs the Emprie would have won
 
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So, among a litany of questions I have about the setting's realism, I wonder how warfare would realistically look in the Star Wars universe? For one, I assume it'd have long outgrown the WW2-style tactics we see throughout the franchise as is. Never mind dealing with far larger figures than the Empire boasting just 25,000 Star Destroyers or the Republic fielding only a few million Clone Trooper units. Granted, maybe those numbers are imprecise or misleading when taken at face value; but again, we're working on a galactic scale in which throwing around numbers like thousand or million means pretty much nothing. I'd have also liked to see some more megastructures somehow involved in that too, though I'm not sure how applicable they'd be to space warfare (considering what a waste the Death Star was, at least insofar as its single exhaust port being a deadly choke-point).

Plus, having certain production centers concentrated on a handful of key worlds seems strategically problematic to me, such as Geonosis being a crucial droid manufacturing site or Kamino being home to the cloning facilities. At the very least, I'd think that wedding wartime pressure to the technology available to a galactic civilization would spur the mass-construction of more facilities across the Galaxy (or maybe even space stations and capital ships that act as space-faring droid factories or barracks, respectively). That's definitely something I'd amend about the setting, if I had the chance.
 
So, among a litany of questions I have about the setting's realism, I wonder how warfare would realistically look in the Star Wars universe? For one, I assume it'd have long outgrown the WW2-style tactics we see throughout the franchise as is. Never mind dealing with far larger figures than the Empire boasting just 25,000 Star Destroyers or the Republic fielding only a few million Clone Trooper units. Granted, maybe those numbers are imprecise or misleading when taken at face value; but again, we're working on a galactic scale in which throwing around numbers like thousand or million means pretty much nothing. I'd have also liked to see some more megastructures somehow involved in that too, though I'm not sure how applicable they'd be to space warfare (considering what a waste the Death Star was, at least insofar as its single exhaust port being a deadly choke-point).
Honestly I'd expect it to go back further than Napoleonic... to medieval siege warfare. Essentially shields replace the castles, which were largely impregnable and required massive amounts of power to breach.

We know there's theater and planetary shields available that can withstand ludicrous amounts of bombardment. They work to such an extent that Vader's personal task force including a Super Star Destroyer needed to actually send walkers down to Hoth to blow the shield generator rather than try to bombard it. Scarif also showed how much of a beating a planetary shield can take. Also for some reason walkers could waltz through the Hoth shield while the Scarif one appeared to block all physical matter.

Consequently there's basically three options for warfare against any enemy with a shield, and given that even the Gungans, who's cavalry were mounted on giant chickens and appeared to have a "grand army" of maybe 200 troops, were able to deploy such a shield everybody above a single platoon should have one.

  1. Send in ground forces to walk through the shield and then attack the generator directly. This happens on Naboo and Hoth.
  2. Blockade and starve the location. This won't work on a habitable planet capable of growing it's own food and will take forever, although given The Phantom Menace it appears that Naboo was in dire straits after only a few days of this, despite their planet being remarkably lush and surely loaded with farmland.
  3. Apply sufficient firepower to actually blow through the shield. This appears to require a Death Star, even the biggest ships simply won't cut it given what happened on Hoth. Scarif with it's trick of ramming a Star Destroyer into the generator would appear to be a one-off event that wouldn't be normal tactics.
In some ways Star Wars warfare actually reflects what you'd expect from these conditions. There's a heavy emphasis on stealthy, small teams which could infiltrate an installation and blow the shield generator (this also supports the heroic main characters being the most important). There's massive ships to lay siege to shielded areas. Finally blockades to prevent travel and intercept ships are a staple across multiple movies.

The main things that argue against said warfare is that inexplicably, such shields appear to be very rare in the scenes we actually see. There's also large armies of infantry when those really wouldn't be needed. If the shield is up you're going to need to send in either a stealth team to sabotage the shield generator or an armored division to blow it up. If the shield is down you can threaten it to surrender via bombardment/ortillery and need a relatively small garrison force to take control rather than huge numbers of infantry to actually fight.

One interesting aspect of medieval siege warfare was how much diplomacy and deal making played a role in taking a castle. It was quite common for a an army laying siege and the castle rulers to come to an agreement of surrender, in which the castle would automatically surrender to the enemy army after X days if no army allied with the castle arrived.
 
Well, it's pretty clear that Disney has decided on a course forward for Star Wars:

Small screen renaissance.

Sure, there will be feature films in the planning, but the only one officially announced right now is going to be a Rogue Squadron film. A stand-alone adventure, under the flag of an old fan-favourite book series. That's a smart and safe bet. Beyond that, lots and lots of series in the works. More Mandalorian. Bad Batch. Andor. Obi-Wan Kenobi, which will see Hayden Christensen returning. Lando. Ahsoka. Rangers of the New Republic. The Acolyte ("a mystery thriller following the dark-side emerging during the end of the High Republic era"). Star Wars: Visions (apparently a series of animated shorts?).

All in all, they have ten different SW series in production or development right now. They're certainly committed to it. And a lot of it seems firmly rooted in a plan to give the fans what they want. Not just as in "we think memberberries are good fanservice", but more in the vein of "we've tried figuring out what the fans actually like".

Personally, I don't care much for the Bad Batch or Cassian Andor, and The Acolyte and Visions are too vague to say anything meaningful about right now. But The Mandalorian is good so far, the Ahsoka series has at least the potential for something cool, and a series about Lando sounds awesome (provided they write it well). Rangers of the New Republic could be fantastic. A lot depends on how well they pull it off, but at least the basic ideas seem to be mostly in order. That's a good start.

I'm really hoping the Rogue Squadron film won't suck, because that's exactly the kind of film I think they should be making.
 
I can see their reasoning. Honestly the movie industry might be dead in the water for some time. Theaters have possibly been hit harder by COVID than any other industry in the US at this point. Meanwhile streaming TV services have been blessed by COVID and reached new heights. Hitching their wagon to their streaming service and moving away from movies is a natural and wise decision. It doesn't hurt that their recent movies were divisive, at best, and their TV show has been a great success.

Right now most of the theaters are dead or badly hurt by their losses of revenue for months on end. Unless the movie producers can pour cash in to bail out the theaters, a lot of those theaters aren't coming back. That means movie producers can't sell their product unless they pour lots of money into helping somebody else's business, leaving them between a rock and a hard place as far as ever making profits again.

It's bad enough that there's even weird knock-on effects, such as the corn industry being badly hurt because theaters were the main buyers of popcorn and their largest market vanished. It may be a few years before popcorn supplies build back up since farmers couldn't sell it last year and probably won't plant any this year in response.
 
This many new shows and films feels a bit excessive. It was already a bit hard to keep track of everything SW related when there were just the films and the animated series (and the books, but Disney's consistently ignored anything the books say). I'm already having issues with Mando season 2 bringing in all these people from rebels and Clone Wars that I've never heard of and don't know, I don't like the idea of ten years from now, having SW become completely incomprehensible if you haven't watched a dozen other shows.

It reminds me a lot of 343i era Halo, where plotting from the games were solved in comics and 5 had like 3 characters from the prior games and then a random mix from the film and books and comics and now the new villians are the bad guys from Halo Wars 2. I managed to follow all the twists, but I'm a halo superfan and was willing to invest the time in it. More normal fans aren't (I know at least one guy that was totally lost by Blue Team showing up in 5, even though they've been around since before Halo CE was out). I'm willing to do that for Halo. I am not willing or able to do that for every single franchise I'm interested in.
 
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The Bob's Feet Fan club Webpage did am extensive tribute to him.

 
I really felt that despite being too close to a repeat of A New Hope, The Force Awakens was overall a pretty good movie that had a lot of potential. It was completely wasted by Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker just incoherently flailed in a different direction. Not having the same director for the entire trilogy was a terrible idea; JJ Abrams wasn't the best choice to begin with, but letting Rian Johnson touch any part of it was absolute doom.

I wish Dennis Lawson hadn't decided not to participate, because the original idea for TFA was that Poe Dameron was basically a cameo part and that the ace Resistance pilot was going to be Wedge Antilles. Oscar Isaac himself explicitly confirmed this in an interview -- he was *not* hired as a lead role -- and this is also why there was that entire giant plot hole about "how the hell did Poe even get off Jakku"?
 
TLJ wasn't "that bad", it was worse. Moreover, most of what's bad about RoS is very clearly because it wasn't allowed to flat-out retcon TLJ. The Sequel Trilogy would have been dramatically better if they'd let J.J. Abrams do the entire thing as a single consistent arc from the start.

Rian Johnson is lucky that Solo exists, because that alone saves him from having made the worst Star Wars film content of all time.
 
TLJ wasn't "that bad", it was worse. Moreover, most of what's bad about RoS is very clearly because it wasn't allowed to flat-out retcon TLJ. The Sequel Trilogy would have been dramatically better if they'd let J.J. Abrams do the entire thing as a single consistent arc from the start.

Rian Johnson is lucky that Solo exists, because that alone saves him from having made the worst Star Wars film content of all time.
We can actually Blame JJ for TLJ, as Everything Rian did was following JJ...

Also, I will say Solo is still on of my top movies.

TLJ has the best cinamtogrphy of the ST though
 
Bullshit. Johnnyboy deliberately destroyed every plothook JJ left for him and the third movie, and then smugly told the audience that he was a genius. That fucker didn't follow JJ at all! He made sure to ruin his plans as much as possible out of spite!
So..literally most if not all of what he was doing was following of JJ. The thing is, everyone had their own head cannons about things and when Johnson did not follow them people freaked the fuck out!
 
TLJ wasn't "that bad", it was worse. Moreover, most of what's bad about RoS is very clearly because it wasn't allowed to flat-out retcon TLJ. The Sequel Trilogy would have been dramatically better if they'd let J.J. Abrams do the entire thing as a single consistent arc from the start.

Rian Johnson is lucky that Solo exists, because that alone saves him from having made the worst Star Wars film content of all time.
Eh, Solo was OK(and nothing beyond that). It's not a Star Wars movie, though.

As for Rian Johnson, I think he believed people in some quarters would see him as a genius if he did what he ended up doing. They probably do, but being one of the main reasons turning what had been the biggest selling movie franchise into something that has to be salvaged isn't very conductive to having a career.
 
Still not quite as bad as Solo, which scored the epic anti-achievement of producing an outright box office bomb out of a highly anticipated blockbuster from the biggest selling movie franchise ever. Depending on what metric you use, Solo may have outright tied with John Carter for being the biggest money loss in Hollywood history, and when you factor in that it was attached to a franchise that should have all but guaranteed success, it is quite seriously the worst box office bomb ever.

As disappointing as TLJ and TRoS were, Solo is the only Star Wars movie that can be objectively described as an absolute disaster. If Star Wars was *any* less of an established franchise than it is, Solo would likely have ended it forever.
 
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The guy that took over solo took over a movie that was doing horrible in behind the scenes things. so there is like.

I like TLJ better then TRoS and think Johnson is better then Abrams
 

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