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[KilroywasNOTHere]

If there is any way for anyone to even keep track of that kind of thing. Remember, they aren't making new EU stuff anymore.

Plus, the reaction over The Mandelorian should have sent a message already, loud and clear, just as the box office drops in new movies should have sent a message, but they are intent on misinterpreting it, ignoring it, or just hatefully scorning their fans over it.

True but disney can't have any control over what people do with the Ip in their own backyard especially when non profit is involved, and any attempt to try would result in them killing themselves faster, if not due to fan backlash, the cost of lawsuits themselves, which Disney fiscally can't afford right now. Disney has painted themselves into a corner. The fans they cater to do not buy their merchandise while at the same same time, said fans are just as much into fan works as the old guard. So they can't go after old fans for making thier own star wars without peeing away what little fans they have left.

 

[Captain X]

Sure they can. Look at what CBS did to fan films. To be fair, they were provoked by a guy who was trying to fund his project by selling Star Trek merchandise, but CBS slapped down a lot harder than they had to by basically limiting fan projects to only being 10 minutes in length and a number of other rules that make it not worth it to make good sets/props/uniforms, etc., and I think a lot of that had to do with fans bragging that this guy's project was looking better than what CBS was putting out right now (so basically out of spite). Otherwise they would have made it clear that it was only about selling stuff using their IP. I would not put it beneath Disney/Lucasfilm to go after fans for petty stuff. They'd also hardly be the only ones to use the threat of a lawsuit to get someone to do what they want, which does work for most people because they can't afford a lawsuit, even if they end up winning. And neither CBS nor Disney seem all that concerned with keeping the old fans, because they seem to have it in their head that there's a woke audience out there to replace all of them.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Sure they can. Look at what CBS did to fan films. To be fair, they were provoked by a guy who was trying to fund his project by selling Star Trek merchandise, but CBS slapped down a lot harder than they had to by basically limiting fan projects to only being 10 minutes in length and a number of other rules that make it not worth it to make good sets/props/uniforms, etc., and I think a lot of that had to do with fans bragging that this guy's project was looking better than what CBS was putting out right now (so basically out of spite). Otherwise they would have made it clear that it was only about selling stuff using their IP. I would not put it beneath Disney/Lucasfilm to go after fans for petty stuff. They'd also hardly be the only ones to use the threat of a lawsuit to get someone to do what they want, which does work for most people because they can't afford a lawsuit, even if they end up winning. And neither CBS nor Disney seem all that concerned with keeping the old fans, because they seem to have it in their head that there's a woke audience out there to replace all of them.

A threat only works if we ourselves give into it. That's on us. and i'm sorry if we're looking for a culture that won't be put under constant threat of leftist we might as well just become wildmen and not have a culture at all. The left has made it pretty much known if they can't make it, they'll buy it or try to take it by force and anytime we "Lose graciously and move on." it's just one more inch we've given them. The right needs to start learning to be suicide jockies and go all in even if it cost them finacially like the people on reddit did with the gamestop stocks. At this point we've already lost everything, we have next to no economic or cultural agency and even from a literal point, we are dead men walking. death camps aren't going to be a matter of if but when. the question is are we going to bother to try and get our culture back, or are we just going to fade into the night?

we keep saying this is a culture war, if that's the case we need to actually start fighting back. I'm not asking for anyone to Take phisical arms, but we have to fight back on some kind of level. Yes vote with your wallets, but also take where you can.

 

[BlackDragon98]

A threat only works if we ourselves give into it. That's on us. and i'm sorry if we're looking for a culture that won't be put under constant threat of leftist we might as well just become wildmen and not have a culture at all. The left has made it pretty much known if they can't make it, they'll buy it or try to take it by force and anytime we "Lose graciously and move on." it's just one more inch we've given them. The right needs to start learning to be suicide jockies and go all in even if it cost them finacially like the people on reddit did with the gamestop stocks. At this point we've already lost everything, we have next to no economic or cultural agency and even from a literal point, we are dead men walking. death camps aren't going to be a matter of if but when. the question is are we going to bother to try and get our culture back, or are we just going to fade into the night?

we keep saying this is a culture war, if that's the case we need to actually start fighting back. I'm not asking for anyone to Take phisical arms, but we have to fight back on some kind of level. Yes vote with your wallets, but also take where you can.

Kulturkampf, here we go.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Kulturkampf, here we go.

i'm just hoping people don't miss the point of my post.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Sure they can. Look at what CBS did to fan films. To be fair, they were provoked by a guy who was trying to fund his project by selling Star Trek merchandise, but CBS slapped down a lot harder than they had to by basically limiting fan projects to only being 10 minutes in length and a number of other rules that make it not worth it to make good sets/props/uniforms, etc., and I think a lot of that had to do with fans bragging that this guy's project was looking better than what CBS was putting out right now (so basically out of spite).

CBS originally had a very generous tolerance policy towards fan films which pretty much amounted to, "No commercial for-profit projects". Axanar overtly violated that policy by openly conducting large scale fundraising -- including outright merchandising -- and openly advertising that their "not for profit" fan film was going to bankroll a full production studio which would go on to make for-profit projects of its own.

They then doubled down and went for broke when CBS sued them for copyright violation, arguing for an absolutely unprecedented expansion of fair use to cover for-profit fan films. This would have set an absolutely bonkers precedent for legislating from the bench, so it there's really no question why it got legally squashed.

 

[Captain X]

The aspect I don't like about it is that they went further than just punishing this one company for violating the "No commercial for-profit projects" policy. Most of us who weren't buying that guy's lies were actually perfectly understanding of CBS defending their IP that way, but they ended up going a lot further than that, and as a result you had a lot of fan projects get shut down who weren't violating that original policy at all. Make no mistake - it is their IP and they have every right to do what they did, but then again they had every legal right to clamp down back in the '90s when the internet became a thing, yet they chose not to because of the bad PR that was generating. We had the exact same backlash now, of course, but the difference is that CBS doesn't care the way Paramount did back in the day.

So I guess the upshot of what I'm saying is that when you have a company like Disney/Lucasfilm which seems to actively despise the old fandom and seeks to replace them, I wouldn't put it beneath them to go after fan works where Lucasfilm under its original owner actually encouraged fan films and the like. There actually was a recent example of this happening on YouTube with a short fan film made by a channel called Star Wars Theory, though in the end they reversed their decision. So while I'm not trying to discourage anyone from enjoying fan projects or even old EU products, I'm saying that there might come a point where Disney is going to come after fan works in particular if they think they're effecting their bottom line, or maybe even just out of spite.

 

[Typhonis]

Disney has a few problems that they are not talking about. Apparently, according to Clownfish. Q1 2020 Disney had a profit of $2 Billion. Q1 2021 $29 Million. I do believe the mouse is in trouble.

 

[BlackDragon98]

Disney has a few problems that they are not talking about. Apparently, according to Clownfish. Q1 2020 Disney had a profit of $2 Billion. Q1 2021 $29 Million. I do believe the mouse is in trouble.

Hmm. . .
Looks like I'll have to check their quarterlys again.
I did see a piece of new about Disney cancelling their newly introduced biannual dividend in late 2020, so this seems about right.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

The aspect I don't like about it is that they went further than just punishing this one company for violating the "No commercial for-profit projects" policy. Most of us who weren't buying that guy's lies were actually perfectly understanding of CBS defending their IP that way, but they ended up going a lot further than that, and as a result you had a lot of fan projects get shut down who weren't violating that original policy at all. Make no mistake - it is their IP and they have every right to do what they did, but then again they had every legal right to clamp down back in the '90s when the internet became a thing, yet they chose not to because of the bad PR that was generating. We had the exact same backlash now, of course, but the difference is that CBS doesn't care the way Paramount did back in the day.

So I guess the upshot of what I'm saying is that when you have a company like Disney/Lucasfilm which seems to actively despise the old fandom and seeks to replace them, I wouldn't put it beneath them to go after fan works where Lucasfilm under its original owner actually encouraged fan films and the like. There actually was a recent example of this happening on YouTube with a short fan film made by a channel called Star Wars Theory, though in the end they reversed their decision. So while I'm not trying to discourage anyone from enjoying fan projects or even old EU products, I'm saying that there might come a point where Disney is going to come after fan works in particular if they think they're effecting their bottom line, or maybe even just out of spite.

That actually wasn't Disney it was apparently a 3rd party copyright troll trying to claim it was working on behalf of Disney. And while I will say you are right in theory the thing is that the Fandom Disney IS trying to appeal to are just as big of fan work enthusiast, heck Reylo wasn't intended to be a thing in canon until Rian, Kathleen and abrams decided to capitalize on the shippers. They can't go after one Fandom without inadvertently killing the other.

Disney has a few problems that they are not talking about. Apparently, according to Clownfish. Q1 2020 Disney had a profit of $2 Billion. Q1 2021 $29 Million. I do believe the mouse is in trouble.

The heck?

 

[Skallagrim]

Disney has a few problems that they are not talking about. Apparently, according to Clownfish. Q1 2020 Disney had a profit of $2 Billion. Q1 2021 $29 Million. I do believe the mouse is in trouble.

Hmm. . .
Looks like I'll have to check their quarterlys again.
I did see a piece of new about Disney cancelling their newly introduced biannual dividend in late 2020, so this seems about right.

Those numbers seem implausible, but they are definitely taking a hit. Their parks really suffer from the whole Covid situation, obviously. Revenue down the drain, while costs can only be reduced so much. Not to mention the fact that most cinemas are closed. Taken together, they're looking at grim figures right now. They're going all-in on streaming (which is the best strategy, really) but that's only going to pay off down the line.

For Star Wars in particular, this means they'll want to double down on the notion of making broadly appealing stuff. Absolutely no controversy. On the one hand, this means definitely going along with cancel culture (they don't want negative buzz). On the other, it also means that controversy-seeking people like Rian Johnson won't be allowed to just derail the franchise again. And projects that are received poorly won't be able to bank on Disney's coffers just keeping them flush. No sir. They've got ten streaming series in the chute, and if one of them underperforms, it's getting the axe.

As far as quality goes, that's probably a good thing. Suppose series X is loved by the bulk of the fans and gets lots of streaming, but is panned by the critics for "fanservice" or whatever. And Suppose series Y is divisive among fans (or even generally disliked) and gets little streaming, but all the critics write endless articles about how great and subversive it is. Well, now that Disney's money is getting tight, you can take one guess which series gets cancelled after one season. It's not going to be the one that makes money...

 

[Captain X]

Yet the star of The Madelorian very recently compared Trump voters to Nazis, and there was no indication his employers ever said a word to him about it, but it has definitely created controversy. A lot of the writers working for Lucasfilms have done similar, with similar results. I'd say it's not really about business for them.

 

[Zachowon]

Yet the star of The Madelorian very recently compared Trump voters to Nazis, and there was no indication his employers ever said a word to him about it, but it has definitely created controversy. A lot of the writers working for Lucasfilms have done similar, with similar results. I'd say it's not really about business for them.

Because the number of people causing issues isn't that bad compared to the leftist mob formed by Gina's

 

[Captain X]

It is, it's just that they don't care.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

The aspect I don't like about it is that they went further than just punishing this one company for violating the "No commercial for-profit projects" policy.

The problem is that they can't set a "still generous" new policy for everyone else and at the same time say that Axanar can't continue producing fan films under the same new policy.

If you look at the new CBS policy, the only part of it that's really onerous is the "no more than two 15 minute episodes" rule, and that was specifically aimed at Axanar. The rest is honestly "strict but fair" -- they even still allow crowdfunding, as long as it doesn't exceed $50,000.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

The heck?

It's actually really simple: in Q1 2020, the Disney parks were still open; they weren't closed for COVID until the middle of the second quarter. The Q1 2021 numbers reflect the parks staying closed, which is stated outright in the quarterly report:

"Results in the quarter ended January 2, 2021 were adversely impacted by the novel coronavirus (COVID-19). The most significant impact was at the Disney Parks, Experiences and Products segment where since late in the second quarter of fiscal 2020, our parks and resorts have been closed or operating at significantly reduced capacity and our cruise ship sailings have been suspended."

 

[Captain X]

I honestly don't see a need to bar Axanar from continued production provided they actually follow the guidelines that had been previously set. Basically this amounts to not being able to sell merchandise and not being able to make a profit. If Axanar could work within those confines, they should have been allowed to, and just gotten smacked down for where they crossed the line.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

It's actually really simple: in Q1 2020, the Disney parks were still open; they weren't closed for COVID until the middle of the second quarter. The Q1 2021 numbers are only projections -- we're still in Q1 -- but they reflect the parks staying closed.

maybe, but I mean I think I have friends that combined probably make a better quater at least in gross. was Disney that reliant on the theme parks?

 

[ShadowArxxy]

maybe, but I mean I think I have friends that combined probably make a better quater at least in gross. was Disney that reliant on the theme parks?

See my edit with one correction (Disney's fiscal quarters don't match the quarters of the actual year, so Q1 2021 actually ends on Jan 2 2021) and a definitive citation from the quarterly report.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

See my edit with one correction (Disney's fiscal quarters don't match the quarters of the actual year, so Q1 2021 actually ends on Jan 2 2021) and a definitive citation from the quarterly report.

Disney+ isin't going to be able to compincate for that. Even if the numbers for it weren't dreadfully inflated it wouldin't see any kind of profitability for about 2-3 years.