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turned out the reason why Ahsoka was picked was because she was a force user. XD
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turned out the reason why Ahsoka was picked was because she was a force user. XD
Basileus_Komnenos
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I unsubscribed from a lot of Star Wars Youtubers over their clickbait titles and spreading of rumor and hearsay. Often times instead of getting to the point, they sometimes drag the video out which really annoys me.
I've kind of moved on from Star Wars, and while I still enjoy the series, I don't have the same enthusiasm I did back when I was in High School.
I've kind of moved on from Star Wars, and while I still enjoy the series, I don't have the same enthusiasm I did back when I was in High School.
Would not be wrong
Hot take: the only real reason people like Rogue One amounts to fan service, and that when you look at the actual story, it doesn't really make much sense and it doesn't fit into what was established in A New Hope. For example, Vader and everyone else made a big deal about the plans being transmitted to that ship Leia was on, which is no where near the same as having the ship docked and physically running a disk to someone on the ship. I've seen plenty of reviewers take on all the ways the movie doesn't make sense, and doesn't fit at all into ANH the way I've seen people here and elsewhere claim, and they're right. So it seems to me like people are overcome by getting to see all the old, familiar ships and characters, and getting to see the Rebels battle it out with the Empire, and losing sight of the fact that the movie itself isn't really all that good.
Lucasfilms was desperate when they put out Rogue One, hoping that the audience (especially the old fanbase) would absorb all the nostalgia and ignore the blatantly obvious mistakes.
Turns out, they were right about Rogue One.
The whole Sequel trilogy on the other hand, is just a bunch of SJW woke bantha dung with forced diversity, bad plot, and the absolutely atrocious treatment of old character from the OG trilogy.
Jaenera Targaryen
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Not to mention a whole bunch of blatant lies, given Kathleen Kennedy's complaints about people comparing the sequel trilogy to the MCU, specifically how the MCU can freely draw on the material from the comics and such, while they - Lucasfilm - have no such background material to draw on. And then Rise of Skywalker outright rips off Dark Empire...
...yeah, no background material my ass.
Not only that, but it's a bad ripoff at that. For all its flaws, Dark Empire left behind a few gems to the EU. Korriban was first introduced in Dark Empire, along with the Valley of the Dark Lords and the lingering ghosts of the ancient Sith Lords. Essentially, it was the first time they expanded on the Sith in the lore. Nar Shaddaa also first appeared in Dark Empire. It also made Han at one of his most badass, as he was the one who dealt the death blow to Darth Sidious, shooting his last clone body, making for a beautiful and very fitting irony that Darth Sidious, one of the most powerful Sith Lords to have ever lived, getting done in by a fundamentally-ordinary Human being.
The only people who need a fact checker are the Left.
Interesting.
I always thought Korriban was first introduced in the initial Old Republic comics about Exar Kun and co. during the mid 1990s.
Looks like Dark Empire predated those comics by 3 years.
That was an epic Han moment indeed.
Unlike what happened to Han in the Disney canon (Fake Star Wars)
In order to have Han played by Ford in a movie, he has to die.
Also, keep calling it fake all you want, only legends you will get is SWTOR. Disney at least seems to know what makes them money, and is making sure SW does such
I actually felt Han's end in the Disney canon was a really good scene, including the way it's a reverse mirror of Luke and Vader.
LindyAF
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Disagree with this. I agree that the ending of Rogue One doesn't fit well with the beginning of ANH. It would have made more sense if they'd changed the scene so that Leia's ship is loittering at the edge of the system or something and instead of physically running the plans they have to transmit them before Vader cuts through them. But IMO this is a pretty minor issue, and I think it's alright for Star Wars to have a plot hole or two if it leads to a cool scene.
In addition to just the cool visuals and nostalgia, I though the movie made the Empire feel overwhelming in a way that I think only episode 5 really matched, which made the Rebels feel like genuine guerillas rather than near peer. I was also a fan of the willingness to commit to killing off the main characters.
IMO the Disney Star Wars movie that's the most overrated is The Force Awakens. IMO it tried to effectively remake ANH, which set the stage for a lot of the issues with The Last Jedi.
The plans were transmitted from the surface of Scarif to the Rebel flagship, so that technically satisfies things . . . and means that Captain Antilles is technically telling the truth when he said the Tantive IV intercepted no transmission. It also does nicely explain how Vader is so *utterly* confident as to attack a consular ship from his own government.
Look, A New Hope was a budget B-film in 1977. There are always going to be plot holes in starting from that, and expanding from that into a rich and expansive universe is the entire reason most fans are even there, be they fans of the legacy stuff, of the new stuff, of fanon and fanfiction, or any and all of it.
Also, it makes no sense for an "innocent" consular ship on legitimate Imperial Senate business to even have the kind of gear it would take to intercept a transmission like that. Being hard carried by a larger Rebel ship actually provides a pretty good explanation, as well as for why they were even running at all if they thought they were clean.
Also, it makes no sense for an "innocent" consular ship on legitimate Imperial Senate business to even have the kind of gear it would take to intercept a transmission like that. Being hard carried by a larger Rebel ship actually provides a pretty good explanation, as well as for why they were even running at all if they thought they were clean.
Bear Ribs
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I honestly can't see discarding a movie because Vader say they "received a transmission" and in reality the transmission was to the ship they were docked with. Vader's not the sort to say an entire extra paragraph to clarify things for the guy he's strangling to death and who already knows it.
It's more that it's a pretty stupid oversight that could have been easily remedied by someone just going back and watching the movie they were making a prequel to. Which in turn goes to the overall quality of the film, really, because as I said, there wasn't much to the movie that made sense as far as what the characters did and the like.
Is it really a hot take when that's been the basic argument for not liking Rogue One ever since it came out? The main detraction is basically saying it's just Fan Service and that everyone who likes (the 90% or whatever) are too dumb to recognize the movie apparently doesn't "make sense" or whatever.
Somehow it magically made sense to the vast majority of people but there's this tiny minority would found it completely baffling, and it's usually for reasons that you have to delve into the actual films for that no one else who liked the movie actually cares about (despite being nostalgiaholics) or even noticed.
You get a lot of the same traction with the Mandalorian stuff where a single narrative leads to a series of events and apparently it doesn't make sense so it's clear that the reason everyone likes it is solely due to nostalgia.
Thankfully the arguments in this thread aren't paired with how well done The Last Jedi actually was. So that's an improvement over SB at the least.
LindyAF
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I mean, if you didn't like the movie, you didn't like the movie- I'm not going to try to argue you did like it, I'm just saying why I did. I'd be interested in what else about the movie didn't make sense to you, though.
I will say that another thing I liked about the movie though was that despite not really focusing on any trained force users, the Force still felt present in the movie. Despite seldom being clearly used, it was built up in a way that IMO would have naturally flowed into ANH. A problem in some Star Wars material is that if you were viewing things in order and treating it as just as canon with the movies, ANH would feel like the energy of the setting took a dive for no clear reason. Rogue One avoided that issue really well in my opinion- the team feels like a precursor to our canon heroes, without feeling like they'd overshadow them.
I guess one of my hot takes on Star Wars is that I think the Force works best when its' along the lines of Luke Skywalker's one in a million shot in ANH or Chirrut walking through a wall of blaster fire untouched- miracles that could be coincidence, but aren't. There should be explicit shows of power- like Luke with the X-Wing in Empire, but IMO they should always be treated as a big deal and as a massive display of power. In the prequels the force got to feeling routine enough that you could picture a Jedi using it to grab a cup of coffee in the morning, which took something away.
The Last Jedi was well done and beautiful compared to blue tint TRoSIs it really a hot take when that's been the basic argument for not liking Rogue One ever since it came out? The main detraction is basically saying it's just Fan Service and that everyone who likes (the 90% or whatever) are too dumb to recognize the movie apparently doesn't "make sense" or whatever.
Somehow it magically made sense to the vast majority of people but there's this tiny minority would found it completely baffling, and it's usually for reasons that you have to delve into the actual films for that no one else who liked the movie actually cares about (despite being nostalgiaholics) or even noticed.
You get a lot of the same traction with the Mandalorian stuff where a single narrative leads to a series of events and apparently it doesn't make sense so it's clear that the reason everyone likes it is solely due to nostalgia.
Thankfully the arguments in this thread aren't paired with how well done The Last Jedi actually was. So that's an improvement over SB at the least.
I hated Han's death.
Chewbacca should have been the one who died, sacrificing his life to save Han and fulfilling his life debt from all those years ago.