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BlackDragon98

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They were not expecting anything, and were most likely not paying attention to their sense. I mean, they also most likely were so badly out numbered it would not matter how skilled they were
I just love how it went from @ShadowArxxy "Revan's faction was absolutely successful, defeating the Neo-Crusaders at every turn" to admitting that they were "not expecting anything, and were most likely not paying attention to their sense" and "so badly out numbered it would not matter how skilled they were".

These are the vaunted Revanites "defeated the Neo-Crusaders at every turn".
Yeah right.
More like a bunch of force sensitive Jedi wannabes who got their asses handed to them in a heartbeat by the Neo-Crusaders.
Also, it isn't shown in this page, but Alek (the later Darth Malek) was also among the prisoners.
Revan's own best buddy.
Absolutely successful at losing and getting captured IMAO. :p
 

Zachowon

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I just love how it went from @ShadowArxxy "Revan's faction was absolutely successful, defeating the Neo-Crusaders at every turn" to admitting that they were "not expecting anything, and were most likely not paying attention to their sense" and "so badly out numbered it would not matter how skilled they were".

These are the vaunted Revanites "defeated the Neo-Crusaders at every turn".
Yeah right.
More like a bunch of force sensitive Jedi wannabes who got their asses handed to them in a heartbeat by the Neo-Crusaders.
Also, it isn't shown in this page, but Alek (the later Darth Malek) was also among the prisoners.
Revan's own best buddy.
Absolutely successful at losing and getting captured IMAO. :p
You know I am a huge mando fan right?
What happend was, if big enough weapons are aimed at ya even if you are a mystical jedi, you still can lose.

Also. It is also the fact that the Republic when they added Jedi were kicking Mando ass
 

BlackDragon98

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You know I am a huge mando fan right?
What happend was, if big enough weapons are aimed at ya even if you are a mystical jedi, you still can lose.

Also. It is also the fact that the Republic when they added Jedi were kicking Mando ass
I meant no offense, and I am sorry if my post seemed offensive.
I was just point out how everything changed after I posted one picture from the Zayne Carrick comic series.
It was kind of funny IMHO.

Force sensitives are just like regular soldiers.
The more well trained and skilled they are, the more likely they're going to win.
The Force is just a extra set of skills that others don't have.
Beyond that, it still depends on training, gear, and morale.
The best equipped Jedi will still surrender to a Mando with the shittiest gear if they are demoralized and poorly trained.
 

Battlegrinder

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They did in Episode 2?

The Asteroid chase with Kenobi vs Fett. The one where Kenobi found it preferable to sacrifice all his spare parts (which he ended up needing after his fighter was damaged) in a risky gambit to fake his death, over the other opition of flicking his hand and sending Jango's missile careening into an asteroid.

Just because it hasn't been shown down not mean they can't do it...

Yes it does.
 

Husky_Khan

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At the Battle of Galidraan (EU), Jango Fett killed 5 Jedi with his bare hands.
The Jedi strike team and the Judicial forces under their command managed to kill all 300 True Mandalorians with the except of Jango.
But over half the Jedi involved were killed and over 90% of the Judicials were wiped out.

Jedi are not omnipotent infallible beings.
They can be killed by non-Force users with the right training, tactics, and equipment.
Just ask the Yuuzhan Vong.

It wasn't with his bare hands per se. But it was in hand to hand combat.

Having read the comic series (which is awesome btw) it was in the middle of a battle with the Jedi leaping in to close distance since the Mandalorians were firing projectiles at them.

He grabbed one Jedi from behind by his cloak and either stabbed, punched or smashed a rock into the back of his neck presumably killing him, then two Jedi attacked him from behind with one leaping over the other and Jango rear kicked the lower one in the gut, then hit the other Jedi when he landed in the face with a rock.

Then He had a showdown with the Unknown Master and started it by throwing snow in his face, ducking under his swing, disarming him with a wristlock and then headbutting him with his helmet so hard he apparently choked on his own blood or teeth or broken jaw or whatever.

Honestly I think he killed maybe three Jedi in melee combat... Unless the fourth had a really weak stomach.

And it wasn't with his bare hands so to speak. Plus the Jedi were basically nameless and featless.
 

ShadowArxxy

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The Asteroid chase with Kenobi vs Fett. The one where Kenobi found it preferable to sacrifice all his spare parts (which he ended up needing after his fighter was damaged) in a risky gambit to fake his death, over the other opition of flicking his hand and sending Jango's missile careening into an asteroid.

Because if he overtly destroyed the missile, Jango would continue attacking him, and since he was trying to stealthily track Jango, faking his death was the smartest possible move once Jango spotted that he was being followed.
 

Battlegrinder

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Because if he overtly destroyed the missile, Jango would continue attacking him, and since he was trying to stealthily track Jango, faking his death was the smartest possible move once Jango spotted that he was being followed.

So just duck into a tunnel, TK the missile into a wall, and then hide. That's basically what he did orginally, only this way will absolutely work and he keeps all this spare parts.
 

Bear Ribs

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From the novelization of Attack of the Clones:

He winced as his asteroid came over and around, showing him again a glowing piece of torn metal that had taken up orbit within the belt. His ship was wounded from the laser blast- nothing substantial, just a thruster-angler- and he had understood that he could not hope to outmaneuver the clever torpedo. So he had ordered R4 to eject all the spare parts canisters, and fortunately, that had been enough to detonate the missile. Despite the success, between the shock of that blast and landing hard and fast on the asteroid to complete the ruse, Obi-Wan was relieved to see that his ship had remained intact.

He wanted no further space fights with Jango and his strange, and supremely efficient, ship, though, and so he had sat here as the minutes slipped past.
 
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Knowledgeispower

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What I don't get about the comic scene involving Vader somehow not dying horribly to a small army completely which has a fair number of heavy weapons is the idea that the Rebels would even bother with sending in ground forces. If I had Vader in area where I knew roughly where he would be rather than spending the effort on bringing in troops I'd just bury a few megaton range nukes and watch the fireworks from orbit and then proceed to bombard the area again from the safety of orbit for as long as I could without risking the safety of my ships so probably a couple hours
 

Zachowon

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What I don't get about the comic scene involving Vader somehow not dying horribly to a small army completely which has a fair number of heavy weapons is the idea that the Rebels would even bother with sending in ground forces. If I had Vader in area where I knew roughly where he would be rather than spending the effort on bringing in troops I'd just bury a few megaton range nukes and watch the fireworks from orbit and then proceed to bombard the area again from the safety of orbit for as long as I could without risking the safety of my ships so probably a couple hours
I mean, we don't know if they had nukes, and two, it wasn't that they were Planning on bringing him in on the ground. They had no ships in orbit, and they still did not know he could do such a thing.

Aso, we know he can move ships, of course not powerful enough to fully move it alone, but he could do moreto the ship as well. He has his force barrier...
 

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
I mean, we don't know if they had nukes, and two, it wasn't that they were Planning on bringing him in on the ground. They had no ships in orbit, and they still did not know he could do such a thing.

Aso, we know he can move ships, of course not powerful enough to fully move it alone, but he could do moreto the ship as well. He has his force barrier...
You get the idea though. Seriously given the number of people who've tried to kill Vader the force itself must have been keeping all them from being even semi competent otherwise he'd have been diagnosed with a terminal a significantly sized warhead to the face
 

Zachowon

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You get the idea though. Seriously given the number of people who've tried to kill Vader the force itself must have been keeping all them from being even semi competent otherwise he'd have been diagnosed with a terminal a significantly sized warhead to the face
He did do something to make it harder or nigh impossible to accurately hit him. Used their grenades to cause a dust storm
 

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
He did do something to make it harder or nigh impossible to accurately hit him. Used their grenades to cause a dust storm
Still you get what I mean in that apparently nobody ever thought of nuking or turbolasering the site from orbit just to make sure he was actually dead in all of the various attempts on Vader's life is rather convenient for him though
 

Zachowon

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Still you get what I mean in that apparently nobody ever thought of nuking or turbolasering the site from orbit just to make sure he was actually dead in all of the various attempts on Vader's life is rather convenient for him though
I think some have tried, they just dint succede
 

BlackDragon98

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Still you get what I mean in that apparently nobody ever thought of nuking or turbolasering the site from orbit just to make sure he was actually dead in all of the various attempts on Vader's life is rather convenient for him though
The only users of nukes I know of are the Neo-Crusaders, no other faction has used nukes since them.
Nukes radiate a whole area, rendering the place completely unusable for long periods of time.
People typically conquer planets so they can access the resources (including the population), which means not nuking the place.
The Neo-Crusaders apparently didn't give a shit about planets.
And the Rebels wouldn't have any nukes in the first place due to the cost of construction and other factors.

If the Rebels want to bring in something with enough turbolaser firepower then they are risking that ship and the lives of it's crew.
They don't know anything about Vader's presence on that planet and why he's there.
For all they know it could be a trap to lure in their heavy capital ships, after which Vader sends a signal and a 100 Star Destroyers drop out of hyperspace and open fire on the Rebel ships.
Plus the Rebels don't have that many capital ships to start with in the first place, each one represents a significant asset to the Rebels, especially in terms of trained crew and officers.
Sending that ground force after him is already a foolhardy move IMHO.
 

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From AH.Com, I have to say Rey as a Sith here looks a whole lot more belivable than anything about her being a Jedi. Kylo as a Jedi still looks "What am I doing here?" BS.
 

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