Would be pretty funny if there was no no new speaker until September.
Breaking News Speaker of the House vote: McCarthy voted down 14 times, wins on 15th
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Blasterbot
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it would be the most effective form of gridlock but I would expect either the neocons or neolibs to get some of their number to crossover in the name of unity to prevent the evil bad extremist maga terrorists from holding up any more Ukrainian aid. if this makes it this whole week I will be pleasantly surprised.
Definitely think the bill should have not been such a omnibus one.
That's about the biggest issue I have with it
prinCZess
Warrior, Writer, Performer, Perv
It easily could have.
Contrary to what was happening in the earlier months of the war, Ukraine of late-2022 was not retreating and at risk of collapse from one more Russian push. Prior aid (HIMARS a noteworthy one) Ukrainian competency in operations (to everyone's surprise), and winter had stabilized the frontline (pushed it into formerly Russian-occupied areas in notable arenas even--'momentum' was very much not on the Russian side).
There was not an existential crisis for Ukraine hanging over US aid being delayed for a few months (esp. with it flowing in from the rest of Europe). Plus, Ukrainian existential crises are not American existential crises. Our proxy not as efficiently killing Rooskies as they might for a few months is not the end of the world (let's be honest, our proxy collapsing entirely and miring the Russians in an occupation of a hostile country is not even an undesirable end-goal--even if one nobody in politics wants to say because it'd look bad).
Further stuff on that belongs in the right thread.
Anyhow, latest bit is Gaetz trolling/theatrics of nominating Trump for the position, though the rest of the anti-McCarthy folks stuck with Donalds.
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Damn I just came here to post about Gaetz voting Trump hAHAHA
The rooskies would yhen have the reason to further push if the US is willing to pull support. They would know the world would most likely back off with the exception of the Baltics
Blasterbot
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we already gave them an absurd amount. others have too. operational tempo is way down and Russian conscripts do not have cold weather gear or the training to conduct military operations in winter. if aid got delayed by a month or two or they attached more oversight to it then that would not have a major effect right now. it also wouldn't stop other countries from continuing their aid and support or dumping even more into the meatgrinder we want Ukraine to be.
We have people whose job is to make sure the shit has oversight.
And yes, actually cutting funding even for a month would give Russia a reason to use propaganda if not use it to thier advantage to pushban attack.
Planchar
Professional Propofol Pusher
I don’t think Tim Pools audience is a representative sample of the Republican.
I don’t think you will be laughing when the House GOP gets slaughtered in 2024 because of it.
EDIT: By all reports McCarthy is giving the Freedom Caucus everything they want. What more do they want? Or who do they want to run in his place. We have already passed the point of ridiculousness.
Blasterbot
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no but when he ran a poll same livestream it was 40% independent 30% libertarian 24% republican. it represents a portion of the electorate that is paying more attention to politics than the average. if you aren't just sticking on a jersey and voting red or blue no matter who you know that the GOP leadership has been screwing with maga candidates during the elections. they don't like McCarthy.
it won't get to that point. it takes 6 republicans cucking to the dems or a dozen or so dems crossing the aisle for McCarthy. i will be surprised if it takes more than a week for that. I would be laughing the entire time if it did and it would be an effective way to keep the dems from fucking up things any more. things won't actively be made worse at every opportunity and we weren't gonna get any helpful legislation passed anyways.
it wouldn't surprise me if many people who received little help from the national level party are sick and tired of the games that got played with the funding of elections. you can make the argument that they aren't going to get anyone better than McCarthy, but some may hold a grudge and see that as enough of a reason.
Delays of a 'few months', when we are dealing with active combat fronts and Russia looking for any weakness in western support to exploit, can absolutely make or break plans or offensives Ukraine needed to undertake to reclaim their land.
Just because Ukraine is not having their capital seiged anymore and is pushing Russia back in most places does not mean aid should be cut at all. In fact it signals more aid should be given, to help capitalize on the momentum Ukrainian forces create and push Russian forces out faster.
Lol this shit will have zero impact on the 2024 election.
Sobek
Disgusting Scalie
The Fact McCarthy hasn't openly announced a position to push for impeaching Joe Biden over the Hunter Biden Laptop from Hell is enough for him to be considered a swamp creature.
The literal biggest piece of corruption and collusion between a POTUS and Media to censor and control speech, and most of the GOP simply doesn't care to prosecute.
At this point I have become a accelerationist. Either a proper GOP candidate, willing to back his party and follow the constitution is voted in, or they might as well just put a Democrat anyway and get the whole sham of a two party system over with.
The literal biggest piece of corruption and collusion between a POTUS and Media to censor and control speech, and most of the GOP simply doesn't care to prosecute.
At this point I have become a accelerationist. Either a proper GOP candidate, willing to back his party and follow the constitution is voted in, or they might as well just put a Democrat anyway and get the whole sham of a two party system over with.
That you think this shit is actually annoying the average person, instead of making them laugh at DC's little theater show breaking down, you are really out of touch.
The only people really annoyed by this are establishment GOP shills, who hate the establishment GOP being embarrassed by the parts of the GOP who are sick of how DC has operated for so long.
This has been a long time coming, and the sooner the fossils in the establishment GOP retire or bow out of power, McCarthy and Trump included, the better for the Right.
Planchar
Professional Propofol Pusher
Right now it has little impact. But if it continues much longer it will definitely have an impact.
I don’t know where you live but no one around me is laughing. You just have your head so far up your own ass about ideological purity that you can’t see this clown show for what it is.
The American voters don’t want a spectacle, they don’t want a circus, they don’t want instability. They want stability, a functioning government, and for actual issues that affect their lives to be addressed.
The GOP underperformed in the midterms. They need to be full speed ahead on pushing through bills that deal with actual issues that affect Americans. They need to show they have ideas to solve problems and improve the voters lives. Even if they don’t pass them, they become a talking point to say why the voters need to give the GOP power in 2024.
Time is ticking and all we have so far is free advertising for the American voter to put their trust in the DNC.
Zyobot
Just a time-traveling robot stranded on Earth.
El memz
Last image isn't showing up for me? All I'm seeing as a square-shaped "frame" with white edges.
That people like you are so frightened by the idea of term limits being introduced, of single subject legislation becoming the norm again, and that a few days delay in opening the House means more to you than moves that could actually help our nation, shows why the RNC is such a joke.
The RNC is fossil that needs to be tossed out, just like McCarthy and Trump. Teh GOP needs to be rebuilt for the long term, not ridden into the grave by Boomer-cons and RINO who want to play the old game that the Ameircan people are sick of.
A dysfunctioning DC is also less threatening to the average US citizen's life and liberty than the same-old, same-old that got us in this mess to begin with.
The only people threatened by this are the establishment shills and the 'go-along-to-get-along' crowd. And they should be afraid, because they are no longer in the drivers seat of the Right, and not even Trump can wrest the control back for the establishment now.
Sobek
Disgusting Scalie
You are a actual moron if you think that "The American Voters" are in any way feeling sorry or care about what the D.C. retards are doing. They hate congress and the senate.
You say the GOP underperformed, but McCarthy is exactly the reason for why that was so. He represents the exact side of the GOP who is determined to abandon MAGA and go back to pre-2014 GOP shit. McCarthy will NOT be "full speed ahead on pushing through bills that deal with actual issues that affect Americans" he will be pushing more fucking Ukraine funding for their little proxy war and doing jack fucking shit about inflation and the FBI or covering the fact the US Government, Inteligence and Security was manipulating and controling their citizen's speech.
MAGA can stay retarded longer than McCarthy can stay relevant. He needs to step down already. They do not trust him to hold on to ANY "deals" or "promisses" he makes. The fact he cannot even convince part of his OWN FUCKING PARTY to vote for him is show that he has no reason or skill to be Speaker. Pelosi, for all her retarded issues, was at least able to get the likes of AOC and Ilan Ohmar to agree or stay back. Maybe that says more about the retards in the squad than MAGA, but the point stands she should get the votes. McCarthy can't.