Serious question about anti-Semitism.

The idea that conquest is immoral if the conquers do not also rape but fine if they do is peak civ-nat.
Yes because otherwise it is unnatural. Conquest is natural tribes will fight and split and join together. Racism by that I mean xenophobia or preferences for your own tribe is also natural however making up some bullshit fake science of racialism is not natural it’s idolatry of science and Darwinism without understanding what Darwinism is.

I don't think any form of conquest is inherently immoral.

It's simple Darwinism.
I mean just using Darwinism as a moral argument is shit because that means nothing is immoral except losing that means you can argue that the side that worships the devil sacrifices children and promotes homosexuality and transgender mental illness are not evil or immoral because they are winning and that is what Darwinism is.
 
Please give an example of something that you would consider immoral.

Darwinism is a lousy thing to base morality on in general. A society run on Darwinistic rules would be considered a nightmare by any sane person. Not that people didn't try in the early 20th century ... and culminated in trying to genocide themselves when they lost their bid for world conquest, because Darwin demanded it.

Yes because otherwise it is unnatural. Conquest is natural tribes will fight and split and join together.

Yes, conquest happens; that means that if you find yourself in the position of the conqueror you should try to culturally assimilate the conquered over generations with the eventual aim of making them fellow citizens, or if you don't have the ability to do that let them live much as they did before you came, under their own customs.

making up some bullshit fake science of racialism is not natural it’s idolatry of science and Darwinism without understanding what Darwinism is

More like using science as a vehicle for self-idolatry. Every 19th century "race scientist" just so happened, very mysteriously, to "discover" that his own country was made up of the truly superior ones.
 
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A society run on Darwinistic rules would be considered a nightmare by any sane person. Not that people didn't try in the early 20th century ... and culminated in trying to genocide themselves when they lost their bid for world conquest, because Darwin demanded it.
Society runs on Darwinism whether you’d like it to or not. There’s no Darwin demands it, it’s just a reflection of how people are. More fit people do better. More fit and successful peoples do better than those less so.
More like using science as a vehicle for self-idolatry. Every 19th century "race scientist" just so happened, very mysteriously, to "discover" that his own country was made up of the truly superior ones.
it can be hard to argue which European group is the truly superior one. It’s less so when comparing them to non Europeans, barring East Asians.
 
Society runs on Darwinism whether you’d like it to or not. There’s no Darwin demands it, it’s just a reflection of how people are. More fit people do better. More fit and successful peoples do better than those less so.

Except 'fitness' has far more to do with culture and people's decisions than it does with innate physiology. Even physiology is heavily dependent upon culture and people's decisions.

Darwinism presumes biological basis for fitness.
 
Please give an example of something that you would consider immoral.

In relation to what? Conquest? Genocide for the lulz, pointless destruction that doesn't really serve a purpose to anything. Slavery because it makes no damn sense.. and so on and so forth. Behavioral and social engineering is immoral because it sets us at odds with our own DNA and always ends in disaster.

Conquest is an extension of our ape instincts, a desire to push the troop/clan to the farthest extension possible. It's inherently part of what makes us human. Doing it in a way that damages the species, harms us and wastes resources would be immoral.

Darwinism is a lousy thing to base morality on in general. A society run on Darwinistic rules would be considered a nightmare by any sane person. Not that people didn't try in the early 20th century ... and culminated in trying to genocide themselves when they lost their bid for world conquest, because Darwin demanded it.

Because Wotan demanded it. Hitler and his like were a bunch of degenerate Neopagan animals who larped at being Darwinistic. Not that Social Darwinism applied on a large scale is possible, mostly because no government on earth exists wherein the fit and the worthy govern.

They're all run by weak, mediocre, defective, dumb and pathetic people. Because Governments exist to give shelter to the unemployable and the undeserving.

Except 'fitness' has far more to do with culture and people's decisions than it does with innate physiology. Even physiology is heavily dependent upon culture and people's decisions.

Darwinism presumes biological basis for fitness.

Someone who is morbidly obese, diabetic and missing a foot but who also revolutionizes the energy sector..is someone who is obviously fit.

Certain groups put too much emphasis on aesthetics only, which I admit are incredibly important. But to a degree, ugliness and these androgynous freaks and trannies are almost always a symptom of a culture on the verge of either collapse or a violent correction.

But not because they look weird and cut their nuts off.

Their existence is symptomatic of a larger cultural failing.

Failing to address one while overfocusing on the other ends in ruin.

Difficult fence to walk basically.

More like using science as a vehicle for self-idolatry. Every 19th century "race scientist" just so happened, very mysteriously, to "discover" that his own country was made up of the truly superior ones.

Social Deconstructivism is neither scientific nor particularly secular. It's another, incredibly violent religion that focuses on blood and death and destruction and one that fetishizes a bastards take on Science and wields it like holy scripture in a shitty justifification.

A century ago we had Hitler, a century before that we had the secularists and today we have the Alphabet people, their activists and the identitarian left.

Just a new sect of that old, ugly fedora cult, that demands mutilation, child rape and societal peril as forms of worship and as offerings.
 
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Except 'fitness' has far more to do with culture and people's decisions than it does with innate physiology. Even physiology is heavily dependent upon culture and people's decisions.

Darwinism presumes biological basis for fitness.
Biology plays into culture. What you are capable of also plays on genetics as well. Things like strength and intelligence are heavily tied to genetics. The idea that culture is a completely separate entity from biology is silly, as well as the idea that it’s just culture and nothing else and culture is the only difference between groups. If you want to reject biology entirely you might as well cease to say human nature. What’s so bizarre to me is that it’s very easy to acknowledge and say that even different breeds of the same species of any other animal than people have different dispositions and ways that they will act and things they will be better at. You ask a person what a chihuahua is like and they can tell you. You ask them what a pit bull is like and they can tell you. You ask someone knowledgeable about horses what the temperament is like between a mustang and an American quarter horse is and which makes for a better beginners horse and they can tell you. It’s a very uncontroversial thing to acknowledge and describe how these different breeds are. Now, you ask that same question about people, and everybody loses their minds and has to quickly cope and say “it’s just culture, it’s just culture!”
 
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Biology plays into culture. What you are capable of also plays on genetics as well. Things like strength and intelligence are heavily tied to genetics. The idea that culture is a completely separate entity from biology is silly, as well as the idea that it’s just culture and nothing else and culture is the only difference between groups. If you want to reject biology entirely you might as well cease to say human nature. What’s so bizarre to me is that it’s very easy to acknowledge and say that even different breeds of the same species of any other animal than people have different dispositions and ways that they will act and things they will be better at. You ask a person what a chihuahua is like and they can tell you. You ask them what a pit bull is like and they can tell you. You ask someone knowledgeable about horses what the temperament is like between a mustang and an American quarter horse is and which makes for a better beginners horse and they can tell you. It’s a very uncontroversial thing to acknowledge and describe how these different breeds are. Now, you ask that same question about people, and everybody loses their minds and has to quickly cope and say “it’s just culture, it’s just culture!”

You're talking past me here.

"Far more" is not saying "biology has nothing to do with it."

You can take people from the same ethnic group biologically, and get extremely different results from them based on culture and personal decisions. The extreme example is identical twins and their ability to go to very different places in life.

More, culture is what can be changed, and as such is far more useful to focus on than biology, though this of course does not mean that biology should be ignored.
 
I mean, what Fried is bringing up are literal talking points of the 19th-early 20th century Progressives, who after WW2 never abandoned their eugenicist goals but instead decided they should better do it by encouraging mass aborticide than forced sterilisations.
That biology plays into human behavior? Wow so crazy, it’s also the talking points of anyone who acknowledges nature and goes all the way to Greek and Roman philosophers dating back to before Christ. “These bad guys said this and they did this bad thing and so it’s automatically wrong”. It’s not about the talking points or who said what, it’s about what’s true. What’s true is that biology has an impact on us and we should stop ignoring that, and pretending like people are just products of society and anyone can be molded like anything and there aren’t any group differences.


You can take people from the same ethnic group biologically, and get extremely different results from them based on culture and personal decisions. The extreme example is identical twins and their ability to go to very different places in life.
Yes individuals of the same group can have very different outcomes. It’s still worthwhile to look at how groups are.


More, culture is what can be changed, and as such is far more useful to focus on than biology, though this of course does not mean that biology should be ignored.
Except in terms of things like immigration, bringing new people into society, maybe that should be acknowledged and not just to say “oh we can change their culture and they will adapt.” Culture can only be changed so much and once more, it’s not a concept entirely divorced from biology.
 
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What’s true is that biology has an impact on us and we should stop ignoring that, and pretending like people are just products of society and anyone can be molded like anything and there aren’t any group differences.

I don't see anybody in here arguing biology doesn't have an impact, or ignoring it.

Biology is an influence, it isn't deterministic, excepting for some outlying cases (5'2" people are not going to be star NFL players, with near-total certainty).
 
And whatever influence it has is certainly not enough to legislate based on it.
Immigration. Most peoples and nations legislate based on that. Ours did for most of our history and that changed based on lies saying that it wouldn’t effect ethnic demographics. Certainly also the biological differences between men and women are enough to legislate on that as well, regardless of where you stand on the matter.
 
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Immigration. Most peoples and nations legislate based on that. Ours did for most of our history and that changed based on lies saying that it wouldn’t effect ethnic demographics. Certainly also the biological differences between men and women are enough to legislate on that as well, regardless of where you stand on the matter.

Tighter immigration laws are nothing to do with race. You don't want to be flooded with millions of people, regardless of whether they're Romanian or Pakistani.

And no, there really isn't. I don't personally see how having tits and a vagina means you shouldn't have rights that others have.
 
Tighter immigration laws are nothing to do with race. You don't want to be flooded with millions of people, regardless of whether they're Romanian or Pakistani.
That’s not how the worlds immigration laws work in most places or for almost all human history. Most countries now have easier immigration if you are of their ethnic group or easier gaining of citizenship and it’s more restricted if you are not.
And no, there really isn't. I don't personally see how having tits and a vagina means you shouldn't have rights that others have.
What’s trans athletes about? Also saying the difference between men and women is just sex organs is goofy as hell.
 
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I don't think any form of conquest is inherently immoral.

It's simple Darwinism.
Property law exist for everybody,or none.If you could take another people land,the same could be done to you.
And genocide happened,becouse Mexico still have native population and metises,when america had none.Powhattan tribe have 200 big villages - where is even one now ?
P.S 500.000 Mapuche in Chile mean at least 5% of population.As if there were 20-15 millions of native indians in USA.
 
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Property law exist for everybody,or none.If you could take another people land,the same could be done to you.
And genocide happened,becouse Mexico still have native population and metises,when america had none.Powhattan tribe have 200 big villages - where is even one now ?
P.S 500.000 Mapuche in Chile mean at least 5% of population.As if there were 20-15 millions of native indians in USA.
Not surviving as a distinct ethnic group =/= genocide.
Where are the all the tribes that formed Poland, Germany, France? If you know history (or played Total War) you know what i'm talking about. Were they genocided by... themselves?
In this case its a bit different because they got assimilated to a culture from another continent, but the point stands.
 
Not surviving as a distinct ethnic group =/= genocide.
Where are the all the tribes that formed Poland, Germany, France? If you know history (or played Total War) you know what i'm talking about. Were they genocided by... themselves?
In this case its a bit different because they got assimilated to a culture from another continent, but the point stands.

Well,our first rulers burned strongholds of other slavis people in current Poland and sold them to slavers.First /probable/jew in Poland was slaver who come here to buy slaves/Ibrahim ibn Jakub/
And if Powhattan people was assimilated,then why there is no metisos there ,just like in Mexico ? they have 200 big villages,after all.
 
And if Powhattan people was assimilated,then why there is no metisos there ,just like in Mexico ? they have 200 big villages,after all.

There are easy answers to questions like this, but frankly, I'm tired of you playing burden of proof games about genocide.

You have yet to present any proof whatsoever that genocide against the major east coast tribes was committed. Until you present some bloody evidence, your claims can simply be dismissed, as any claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

So, as the saying goes, shit or get off the pot.
 

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