Serious question about anti-Semitism.

Lanmandragon said:
Mexicans are like Jews in that they are minorites when convenient and white when convenient. Also Asains are often considered white due to thier success.
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As far as American history goes, this flipped dramatically around the 1950s or so. Prior to this Hispanics were seen as the desirable minority and Asians were the targets of massive social and legal bias, to the point of being almost absolutely barred from not only immigration but also citizenship.
 
Cherico said:
In order to understand the mentality let me explain it.

These guys fundamentally do not belive in merit at all, ok they don't belive that you can live a better life by working hard, or being smart, making better choices, or saving. Any one who achieves more then they did, did so by cheating.

That's the mindset, its a philosophy that's built on a foundation of envy that's why communist and socialist states get so damned murderous.

They do not actually care about their fellow human beings, they don't actually have empathy for the poor, or the disadvantaged. Look at their actions not their words.
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Oh I know terrible people.
 
ShadowArxxy said:
As far as American history goes, this flipped dramatically around the 1950s or so. Prior to this Hispanics were seen as the desirable minority and Asians were the targets of massive social and legal bias, to the point of being almost absolutely barred from not only immigration but also citizenship.
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That's the point. Asains were shit on and oppressed. Yet still come out as the most successful ethnicity in the US. Asains are living proof that the "white privilege" victim narrative. Is just that a narrative and nothing more. It's why SJW morons don't fight against real tangible discrimination being aimed at Asians currently. The whole ethnicity represents an inconvenient truth that they do t want to face. Said truth being that people fail due to thier own actions and customs. Not some neblous "white supremacists" conspiracy theory as they push.
 
ShadowsOfParadox said:
This part is honestly kind of odd. Like, Jewish "Chosen People Ideology" is, at base, a somewhat more exclusive version of why Athens is named Athens. It's only when you have other people who start worshiping the same god that you start to have problems... Of course, oddly enough, I don't think I've ever heard of any sort of Jewish Terror, if you have evidence of such I'd be fine to hear it. But AFAIK all the problems are one way, problems OTHER PEOPLE have with Jews rather than problems Jews have with other people.

On this one I'd like some example of criticisms that don't come down to either "Don't hurt the Palestinians"(which has problems of its own) or "Insert Conspiracy Theory about Jewish Control here", that also resulted in accusations of Antisemitism.
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Ehh if the old testament is accurate. Then the conquest of Israel is pretty terrifying if your a cannanite. I mean thier standard war doctrine was "kill everything".
 
Hey,
Resident Jewish Conservative here. I am American first, Jewish second. It tends to rankle my mom. She didn't understand my nature (She was a hippie in the 60s and 70s).

I wanted to serve my country in the Fulda Gap. I wanted to face down the Russians and do my part like all the males in my family since World War I. (such sentiments did not make me popular at Brooklyn College). Guess what? I don't live in Israel. I can sympathize with them as fellow Jews. But they're still a foreign power, and occasionally, they do things that need to be critisized (Johnathan Pollard, anyone?)

Individual Jews run in all stripes. Some of us are salt of the earth. Some of us I'd walk a mile to punch in the face. That is evident in everyone. I don't like leaning on my Judism. I hate Ihilian Omar with a passion because to me, she committed blood libel with her accusations about Jewish citizens of this country. But blanket statements abound.

I think there's also a divide between Jews in Israel, and Jews here. Simply put? Too many of us vote Democrat here because of two factors. Tradition (gramps voted dem, mom and dad vote dem, therefore, so should I) and ingorance (Jewish Americans are as a socioeconomic group, well off and well educated, and part of the "bubble"). I often remind my fellow Jews of Reagan's words on the Dems ("the party left me"). It doesn't make me popular. Fuck 'em, I like to fight. And that is one thing I like about Israeli Jews. They're all scrappy fighting bastards, good or bad.
 
Lanmandragon said:
That's the point. Asains were shit on and oppressed. Yet still come out as the most successful ethnicity in the US. Asains are living proof that the "white privilege" victim narrative. Is just that a narrative and nothing more. It's why SJW morons don't fight against real tangible discrimination being aimed at Asians currently. The whole ethnicity represents an inconvenient truth that they do t want to face. Said truth being that people fail due to thier own actions and customs. Not some neblous "white supremacists" conspiracy theory as they push.
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That's a . . . simplistic narrative. The forms of oppression that Asians in the United States have faced are substantially different than those experienced by blacks, and have largely focused on not being allowed here at all, as opposed to de jure and later de facto slavery and the economic fallout thereof. Asian-American history has largely been a matter of being grandfathered around and further finding the niches and loopholes around blatantly racist laws designed to exclude us from the success of other Americans, such as laws barring Asians from gold mining and land ownership. Asians have also found success in ventures that white Americans were less successful in due to cultural differences; for example, the use of large scale collective labor in establishing farming in California, which had rich soil but was poorly suited for the "small independent farmstead" methods that were the norm for white farmers.

More fundamentally, Asian success in the United States is a much more nuanced matter than people think, because the "Asian" demographic in the United States actually consists of two radically different subgroups: Chinese and Japanese families whose ancestors moved to the United States before the Asiatic Exclusion Act and have been in this country for well over a century, and other Asian groups who have only been able to immigrate under the post-1965 laws and generally have no more than 1-2 generations in the United States.

The fact is that Asian immigrants aren't nearly as economically successful as is commonly believed, this is simply masked by lumping all Asians together, and in particular by counting multi-generational established families alongside recent immigrants.
 
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ShadowArxxy said:
That's a . . . simplistic narrative. The forms of oppression that Asians in the United States have faced are substantially different than those experienced by blacks, and have largely focused on not being allowed here at all, as opposed to de jure and later de facto slavery and the economic fallout thereof. Asian-American history has largely been a matter of being grandfathered around and further finding the niches and loopholes around blatantly racist laws designed to exclude us from the success of other Americans, such as laws barring Asians from gold mining and land ownership. Asians have also found success in ventures that white Americans were less successful in due to cultural differences; for example, the use of large scale collective labor in establishing farming in California, which had rich soil but was poorly suited for the "small independent farmstead" methods that were the norm for white farmers.

More fundamentally, Asian success in the United States is a much more nuanced matter than people think, because the "Asian" demographic in the United States actually consists of two radically different subgroups: Chinese and Japanese families whose ancestors moved to the United States before the Asiatic Exclusion Act and have been in this country for well over a century, and other Asian groups who have only been able to immigrate under the post-1965 laws and generally have no more than 2-3 generations in the United States.

The fact is that Asian immigrants aren't nearly as economically successful as is commonly believed, this is simply masked by lumping all Asians together, and in particular by counting multi-generational established families alongside recent immigrants.
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It's no more simplistic than "white privilege caused everything".
 
Lanmandragon said:
Ehh if the old testament is accurate. Then the conquest of Israel is pretty terrifying if your a cannanite. I mean thier standard war doctrine was "kill everything".
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in early Neolithic war and even Paleolithic fighting that's basically the standard. You need a very powerful incentive to bother with the risk and difficulty of captive taking and if they aren't being captured purely for the sake of sacrifice you need a powerful state in order to actually keep them around and compel their labor.
 
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Lanmandragon said:
Mexicans are like Jews in that they are minorites when convenient and white when convenient. Also Asains are often considered white due to thier success.
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White when convenient? Let me guess they dig up being descended from a Spanish guy and use it as them not really being minorities and being part of some upper class?

I saw a scene like that in Aristillus, the college students wanting to see the city as being ruled by white supremacists even proposed looking up one Latino Businessman’s ancestry and photoshopping his skin
 
CarlManvers2019 said:
White when convenient? Let me guess they dig up being descended from a Spanish guy and use it as them not really being minorities and being part of some upper class?

I saw a scene like that in Aristillus, the college students wanting to see the city as being ruled by white supremacists even proposed looking up one Latino Businessman’s ancestry and photoshopping his skin
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It was in reference to George Zimmerman. A Hispanic man who was attacked by a young black man and shot him in self defense. The MSM said he was a white man because it fits thier narrative better.
 
ShadowsOfParadox said:
in early Neolithic war and even Paleolithic fighting that's basically the standard. You need a very powerful incentive to bother with the risk and difficulty of captive taking and if they aren't being captured purely for the sake of sacrifice you need a powerful state in order to actually keep them around and compel their labor.
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Sure I'm aware of that I'm not even judging them. We killed a slew of Indians building our country. I'm just saying it was terrifying for the cannanites.
 
ShadowsOfParadox said:
in early Neolithic war and even Paleolithic fighting that's basically the standard. You need a very powerful incentive to bother with the risk and difficulty of captive taking and if they aren't being captured purely for the sake of sacrifice you need a powerful state in order to actually keep them around and compel their labor.
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That's something of an oversimplification because we have evidence for it in Britain (genocide), Spain (androcide) and a few other places, but we also have neolithic/paleolithic civilisations in the modern day (on Papua, etc), which execute basically ceremonially wars of limited decision.
 
Captain-General said:
That's something of an oversimplification because we have evidence for it in Britain (genocide), Spain (androcide) and a few other places, but we also have neolithic/paleolithic civilisations in the modern day (on Papua, etc), which execute basically ceremonially wars of limited decision.
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What's androcide?
 
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