Serious question about anti-Semitism.

The best policy is just not to blame or credit anybody for things they didn’t do.

George Soros is a scum bag and so are any number of other filthy rich limousine liberal Jews who use their influence to push a far left agenda. Karl Marx created an ideology that lead to many millions of deaths and unmeasurable suffering. Blame those people for what they did/do.

Jonas Salk invented the vaccine for Polio and gave it to the public, giving up a fortune to make the vaccine cheaper for everyone. How many millions of lives and how much suffering did his brilliance and virtue prevent? Murray Rothbard, John Stossel, Milton Friedman, and any number of other prominent Jewish libertarians have sought to limit big government and tyranny that results from it. Give them the credit they are due.

For some other Jewish person who hasn’t participated in any of the above, good or bad, they don’t get that blame or credit. Just judge them by what they actually do, use that policy with everybody regardless of their race and/or religion and anybody who accuses you of bigotry is in the wrong.

It just leads me to wonder, why do people do this? Life's already hard enough without these assholes compounding things for whatever reason they have (and I'd like to know what motivates them to do all these things).
 
It just leads me to wonder, why do people do this? Life's already hard enough without these assholes compounding things for whatever reason they have (and I'd like to know what motivates them to do all these things).
I mean...You've pretty much hit it: Assholes can be motivated by being assholes and exist with no regard for ethnic background. (Though, in particular, there is a bit of a wonky history in the US of Jews being 'white' for some standards, but not for others--US racial history kind've throws a wrench in a lot of this stuff and makes self-identification awkward or weird at times, the easy example being 'White hispanic' as someone has mentioned, or the ubiquitious 'African-American' arising because former slaves and their descendents don't know any kind of specific part or tribe of Africa they hail from).

I'm given to understand there are some far-minority strains of Judaism which might embody that 'asshole' characteristic because of a belief in inherent superiority or some bizareness, but...Well, the historical blood libel and mass criticism of Jews and Judaism for imaginary things, and the consequences that had, tends to be something one needs to account for in any critique. Which is something a lot of people aren't that good at (I'll note--you included in this one, not pinpointing specific strains or individuals beyond one random person is not a good look), and the popularity or widespread use of such poorly-phrased 'criticism' of Jewish ideologies by folks who are anti-semitic and using them as a way of hitting Jews in general (or the state of Israel, which is a popular one to go after with similar tactics) instead of earnestly looking to point at failures in the philosophy of fringe or minority extremists.

Much the same pattern exists in hard-right circles with regards to Islam--though there might sometimes be some attempt at specifying 'wahhabism' or other extremist strains, sometimes--and with the fedora-tipping brigade with regards to Christianity (though there might sometimes be some attempt at specifying 'born-again evangelical televangelism' or other extremist strains, sometimes). Judaism and Jews don't seem to usually benefit from even the attempts at critics being specific or focused in similar manner (I had to look up a reference to 'the Revolt' and Jewish extemism because I've never heard anyone criticize or identify them in particular as opposed to assigning radical and uncommon beliefs to 'Jews' in general--to be perhaps excessively charitable maybe that's from mere ignorance and lack of terminology separating or distinguishing them in Judaism beyond the generic 'fundamentalist' or 'extremist' statements...But I think that's being excessively charitable, because Jews remain a bizarrely popular target for hate and criticism based solely on status as 'Jewish' instead of actual asshole behavior or belief).
 
Jews remain a bizarrely popular target for hate and criticism based solely on status as 'Jewish' instead of actual asshole behavior or belief)
It is in no way bizzare. It is a repeatable phenomenon.


Market-dominant minorities are usually hated.
 
The answer should be obvious: the motive behind the criticism.

The real question is, how can you tell what a person's motives are?

That is a hard one, something legal scholars, philosophers and psychologists have been struggling with for millennia only to produce tools that aren't as reliable as anyone wants.
 
Asking why you can't criticize "the Jews" for using their alleged collective power to spitefully punish white people has a pretty self obvious answer. There is no collective body representing all the Jews that pools their power together to act in concert to enforce an agreed-upon, malevolent agenda.

You can ask why George Soros does what he does. You can criticize him for his role in the Asian Financial Crash of the 1990s. One however cannot attribute his actions and his decisions to a nefarious shadowy conspiracy of "the Jews" because no such thing exists and claiming otherwise is a time-worn anti-Semitic trope straight from Tsarist Russia. Wealthy, highly-educated Jews are likely to be progressive not because they are Jews but because they are wealthy and highly-educated and that group of the population shares common norms and attitudes across ethnic and racial lines.

Also protip Karl Marx wouldn't have been considered Jewish even under the Nuremburg Laws. His attitude towards religious Jews was unmitigated contempt informed by prevailing German anti-Semitic stereotypes. Blaming Jews for Communism isn't as venerable as the Secret Jewish Conspiracy, mind, dating only from the Third Reich rather than from 19th century Russia.
 
Wealthy, highly-educated Jews are likely to be progressive not because they are Jews but because they are wealthy and highly-educated and that group of the population shares common norms and attitudes across ethnic and racial lines.
Wealthy, highly-educated atheist/reform jews are. Orthodox are heavily conservative, conservative is more split. In America every Jewish demographic is more likely to be wealthy and highly educated, the political splits tend to be along religious sects.
 
I gotta say, I recently made an account on this site for an RP, and I'm still trying to figure out if it's just a site where people talk about deep philosophy, a meme factory dedicated to pretending to be antisemitic for the sake of edge, or... well, racists.
 
I gotta say, I recently made an account on this site for an RP, and I'm still trying to figure out if it's just a site where people talk about deep philosophy, a meme factory dedicated to pretending to be antisemitic for the sake of edge, or... well, racists.
So you saw a thread where OP was generally disagreed with for being wrong, and decided it meant the opposite?

Edit: This is a site for lack of moral purity. People who are way out there will be argued with, not ritually condemned. It was founded to get away from excess moralism.

Or at least that's my take.
 
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So you saw a thread where OP was generally called out for being wrong, and decided it meant the opposite?
I find it's very difficult to tell sarcasm over text, and Internet trolls tend to be on several layers of irony at all times so I couldn't be sure.
 
Individuals and ideologies are more than open to criticism, "the jews" aren't. Nor are "the blacks", "the gays", "the whites", etc.

As for claims of a jewish conspiracy, they are complete and utter bunk. Criticize the individual for their actions and beliefs (if you feel they are flawed), criticize the ideology for its beliefs and the actions of its adherents (if you feel they are flawed); but criticizing an entire ethnicity is simply idiotic.
 
@tirrene , to my knowledge, @Nitramy is from the Philippines and has a completely different cultural milieu to his knowledge of western socio-cultural groups including Jewish people. I believe that generally here we are enormous supporters of Judaism and Israel, especially the healthy, amazing flowering of nationalism and democracy, and the almost magical rebirth of a long-dead ancient language in Hebrew, which collectively reflect the Jewish state of Israel. Hopefully people from different cultural backgrounds can learn about the real contributions to western civilisation and suffering that the Jewish people have endured so that people around the world generally have a better understanding of this most unfortunate original sin of western civilisation that we call anti-semitism.
 
The Boot is here! Are you happy to see me? I'm sure you all are! The Boot is pleased with how civil this discussion has been so far despite the high risk nature of the subject matter and would like to encourage everybody to keep it up. Keep on arguing in good faith and the Boot might even have a chance to relax in the boot polish spa for a good new waxing!

Just remember, it is possible to criticise individual Jewish people or groups without being Anti-Semitic, just as it is possible to do the same for Islamic groups or people without being Islamophobic, or even (although The Boot cannot imagine why) it is possible to criticise Boots without being Bootphobic (but seriously, why would anybody ever be phobic over such a beautiful piece of footwear? Have you not seen the perfection of my laces?)
 
Its also possible to criticism Judaism or Islam without anti-semetic or Islamophobic, so long as you keep your criticism to theological criticisms. Saying that you find a particular page of scripture to be against your morals does not make you a bigot.

This is for everyone who replied: THANK YOU. I was afraid asking this kind of question in other forums would result in pearl-clutching, "THERE'S A NAZI HERE MODS BAN HIM", and other knee-jerk reactions.

And yes, it's really easy to put blame on entire groups of people when there are assholes affiliated with them who have done a lot of damage to humanity as a whole.

This just means that we have to be more vigilant in watching ourselves when we see things in the media, online or otherwise, so that we don't go into the collectivist mindset.

TL;DR: Hate the game, not the player.

EDIT: Also, this wasn't a topic made to find people who agreed with me. I just wanted my beliefs clarified so that I know the best spot to stand when it comes to criticizing ideologies.
 
You won't have to worry about that. I got in hot water with SB due to my HP story of a Dark Wizard literally destroying Islam.

Anyway, my criticism of Judaism or Jewish culture in general is: how powerful and influential are these people who go "oh no white people have eclipsed us Chosen People(tm) in the development of civilization, time for us to create political correctness, Hollywood, and academia to subvert them so we will lord over the rest of humanity as is our divine right"?

Please tell me I'm not overreacting here; I don't hate Jewish people per se, it's just that their constant "white people need to self-flagellate" on one end and "I'm Jewish" on the other is very disconcerting.


Name a single community that doesn't have assholes in it.

I don't blame this hispanic community for having La rasa (Most Latinos think their insufferable pricks) I don't blame random southnors for having the Klan, I don't blame all black people for the black nationalist assholes (I know there is a gradiant in that movement with some being all right and some being pricks)

Every group on the planet has some one who is an insufferable prick, If you ran into one of ours I'm sorry home slice.

It happens.
 
Chotto a minute, let me try to find those tweets.

EDIT: I really don't want to believe that these people are subverting society out of insecurity, but this pic doesn't do anyone any favors.


There are far more then just this mate. Far more salacious then this mild drek.

I just see this as leftist assholes that happen to be jews and using the fact that they are jewish to play games.
 
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Mexicans are like Jews in that they are minorites when convenient and white when convenient. Also Asains are often considered white due to thier success.

In order to understand the mentality let me explain it.

These guys fundamentally do not belive in merit at all, ok they don't belive that you can live a better life by working hard, or being smart, making better choices, or saving. Any one who achieves more then they did, did so by cheating.

That's the mindset, its a philosophy that's built on a foundation of envy that's why communist and socialist states get so damned murderous.

They do not actually care about their fellow human beings, they don't actually have empathy for the poor, or the disadvantaged. Look at their actions not their words.
 

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