Macron is doing what is in his interest. Which in this case is trying to create himself a reputation as a great diplomat. It doesn't have to be true, he just needs the reputation.So, Macron is high on copium?
Russian-Ukrainian-Polish Eternal Friendship Thread
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Tiamat
I've seen the future...
Matters continue to gather pace.
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Dunno know how those ships normally sit in the water when unloaded, but one guy commented that they appear to be sitting low in the water meaning they're likely stacked full of hardware.
UPDATED: Russian Navy Amphibious Group Enters Black Sea as Warships Mass in the Mediterranean - USNI News
This post has been updated to include an updated position of the first three ships in the Russian Navy amphibious task force. A group of three Russian warships capable of landing tanks and troops ashore now in the Black Sea, as the Russian Navy begins to mass ships in the Mediterranean...
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Dunno know how those ships normally sit in the water when unloaded, but one guy commented that they appear to be sitting low in the water meaning they're likely stacked full of hardware.
I saw that briefing clip yesterday elsewhere nothing of substance was revealef beyond a 'trust us' and when the the reporter pressed as to something of substance actually be put out to the public, he was accused of being a disloyal.It was the first ones to show it. Look for sources you trust then.
Fine more of them.
‘Alex Jones territory’: Reporter battles State Department spokesman on Russian ‘false flag’ claim - Washington Examiner
A reporter challenged State Department spokesman Ned Price on claims that Russia might be cooking up a propaganda video showing a fabricated attack by Ukrainian forces to justify military action against Ukraine. Associated Press correspondent Matt Lee pressed Price for evidence to support his...www.washingtonexaminer.com
But obviously you would rather suck off Russia then think they would do something to make themselves look good.
Just like you did, when I dared to doubt what the sources 'official' DC sources are saying.
The article you linked actually shows why people are not trusting DC when it says they have proof of an imminent Russian false flag op; daring to question if DC actually does gets insults, not facts, from the establishment.
I never saw Macron having said that the Russians were promising not to move units in their territory or in Belarus.
I read both articles, it seems like people want to imply Macron is saying it, in response to a pledge by Putin that only seems to exist in the minds of the same people.
I want proof of the pledge by Putin, and proof of Macron saying it was broken, from the mouths of the leaders themselves, not any 'anonymous sources' or 'sources close to the matter' via media outlets.
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Talks were confidential, so you will never know what Putin said.
CCP media also confirm the story, while it is unlikely they would want to screw with Putin by agreeing with western media psyop.
They already have units in Ukraine and Belarus, and the article says nothing about Putin or Russia saying they'd be moving those units as part of any deal.
So again, I see no evidence of any pledge regarding Russian units, or any indication that Macron feeling a pledge was broken.
This very much seems like another 'wag the dog' establishment media story trying to twist the words of both leaders to try to keep the war hysteria/hype building.
Welp, if you want to find excuses in technicalities of statements to insist that all the media owned by different parties must be wrong, you will find them, but that doesn't mean they are worth anything.
Fact is that Macron claimed no new escalations, while Russia "denied it will cease new military initiatives near Ukrainian border". Interpret that how you will, but that seems to be the case, and it does seem roughly similar to the mainstream narrative of the matter.
Welp, what could RUssia gain from a False Flag?
Perhaps reaosn to invade?
I mean, it is somewhat in Russias playbook
Russia has units in Ukraine? since when?
But you see Marduk, if the Mainstream claim it, it must be false beacuse they are warhawk libs who want to go to war!
I'm just looking at what is said by the main parties involved, not the media twist and spin.
If Macron himself comes out and says Putin violated a pledge to him, then I will believe it.
It's in ours too; and the warhawks really want Russia to invade Ukraine to get the war they are itching for.
I guess a 'No Russian'-type joint false flag by warhawks on both sides is possible.
I miss typed; meant to type 'near Ukraine'.
Why are you thinking the US is going to get invovled?
NATO and the US have already said they will not do anything.
Why would a false flag benefit the US?
Why would Macron humiliate himself by doing that, especially if the story is true?
Why aren't Putin and Macron demanding corrections to the story even though they certainly were made aware of it.
A false flag to start the conflict lets the warhawks seems 'on top of things' and gets the 'we should have listened to the warhawks' rhetoric going in the media, creates another conflict to sell even more US weapons, expends Russian military resources, may hurt their relationship within the CSTO, and makes Ukraine even more dependent on the US and NATO for support, and allows the Biden regime to push for more 'war-time' type emergency powers to use to deal with their domestic opposition ahead of the midterms.
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
Except you’re putting the cart ahead of the horse. If the Biden admin is going to push for “war time emergency powers” it has to go to war first, that means putting actual US troops in Ukraine, which is something no one has stated either plans or a desire to do so. For now they’ll just keep selling or giving weapons to the Ukraine and that’s it.
I loathe and despise the Biden admin as much as most others here, but putting out conspiracy hysteria and trying to beat up political strawmen doesn’t help.
You think it would matter to the Biden Admin if it wasn't 'our' troops at war with Russia, when it would come to trying to grab and justify an attempt to grab more emergency powers based on Russia moving on Ukraine formally?
After these last few years, and what the Wu Flu allowed DC to justify, along with the legacy of the Patriot Act, I think expecting that sort of action by the Biden Admin ahead of the midterms is not unreasonable.
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
Okay Bacle, explain then how the Biden admin plans to implement war time emergency powers to screw the midterm elections while NOT going to war over the Ukraine. Because anyone with half a brain knows any us confrontation with Russia in the Ukraine is likely gonna end badly for everyone involved.
Seriously, how?
EDIT: I should add this would require a certain level of masterful foresight and competence if indeed the Biden admin is planning some great conspiracy, when it’s pretty obvious they’re pretty fucking incompetent.
Reuters isn't American. It's been largely considered the most neutral POV international media source for the past twenty or thirty years. It's headquartered in Britain but is basically an international news agency and wire service comparable to AFP or AP only that they have a far stronger NPOV standards to the point Western media accusing them of being anti-American or anti-Israeli or other numbnut nonsense.
If there's something WRONG or FALSE about the Reuters article or that it's actually advocating a pro-War with Russia position or other idiocy, feel free to provide counter evidence beyond... "Na uh, everything I disagree with is lying."
"Hi my name is Bacle. I trust the BBC and loath Reuters, CNN, France24 and NPR because they are full of "Neolib Warhawks" who have "very definite motives to play in getting DC approval" and are "Pro-War with Russia" and actively "disrupting any deal/agreement made between European powers and Russia."
I have no evidence for this beyond calling them "Neolib Warhawks."
Oh wait... BBC is disagreeing with my POV? That's because it's full of "Neolib Warhawks" and has very definite motives to play in disrupting any deal/agreement so that we can go to war with Russia.
Trust me though, I post tweets from Jack Posobiec and Glenn Greenwald who you totally couldn't predict their reporting on because of how predictable their opinion on anything is and just coincidentally happen to agree with every one of my takes. They have no bias because they are in agreement with me and my POV."
Same way they stole the 2020 election; a compliant and willing media and political establishment that would run cover for them, control of all three branches of power (even if SCOTUS is iffy for them), and are facing seriously shit polling facing the midterms, and getting the US involved in a war in Europe against Russia, even if Biden had previously said he'd not send troops to Ukraine.
I hope I am wrong and that no false flag of any type/source occurs.
But I have no doubt that DC would undertake one, while gaslighting Russia about doing one, in order to blame Russia for it, in order to force a war in Ukraine, if they thought they could get away with it and use to to tighten their grip on power domestically ahead of the midterms, while thier Wu Flu control mandates are falling apart.
Don't forget the Yellow Press lied about the Sinking of the USS Maine either.