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Russian Invasion of Ukraine 2022
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Carrot of Truth
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A lot of forums are full of hopium, Like they keep saying the Russian forces north of Kiev are out of fuel food ect nevermind the fact that its an obvious massing of men and equipment to bring the hammer down on the capital because everyone knows thats going to be a hard fought battle. In the east the Ukrainian army is either disintegrating or in danger of being encircled, While the Ukrainians put up a harder fight than anyone expected the realities of their situation are starting to show.
They have run out of fuel and food.
Still doesn't mean the offensive is going to happen or not.
I think the Ukrainians will not let the Russians get a break in the city
Carrot of Truth
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I mean what actual evidence is there that they have run out of fuel and food? A few POW's here and there that have probably been tortured and will say whatever they think will make it stop?
Wargamer08
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I think it holds for a couple days, then collapses. The Ukrainians lack the tools needed to break out. Neither side has shown a willingness to fight to the death. They last a couple days, the Russians finish pinpointing all the important strong points and take them out, the rest of the defenders pack it in.
Yeah, overall, I'd say the invasion is overall a mistake on Russia's part. They'll get Ukraine, but basically restrengthened the EU and NATO, while shoving the EU back under the US. This, after about 20 years of efforts trying to destroy both (I'm not saying that Euroskeptics are russian agents, but obviously Russia doesn't like the EU/NATO and has made some efforts to damage it like Nordstream, etc).
Meanwhile, either through propaganda or reality, Russia's military has been quite successfully portrayed as incompetent. This could change with their pause and resupply, but their initial tactics were failures (in the sense they should be doing much better) and weird (as if they expected a quick win, sorta like the US thinking that we'd be welcomed as liberators).
I expect the outcome of this to be as follows:
Russia gets a puppet government in Ukraine, which either won't last or will have to be occupied, which Russia can ill afford.
Finland and maybe Sweden join NATO, completing the European NATO wall. NATO is now more unified, and more under America's control, than ever. A big fall in Euroskepticism and moves towards the EU (Le Pen is screwed, for example).
And that's the chief reason I think this is a long-term loss: Russia could have done nothing but sell gas and oil for the next 30-40 years while being a decent neighbor, and the EU would have shrunk and NATO would become a shell of itself. Instead, he gets a puppet Ukraine. But then again, seeing that far into the future is near impossible, so who knows?
Meanwhile, either through propaganda or reality, Russia's military has been quite successfully portrayed as incompetent. This could change with their pause and resupply, but their initial tactics were failures (in the sense they should be doing much better) and weird (as if they expected a quick win, sorta like the US thinking that we'd be welcomed as liberators).
I expect the outcome of this to be as follows:
Russia gets a puppet government in Ukraine, which either won't last or will have to be occupied, which Russia can ill afford.
Finland and maybe Sweden join NATO, completing the European NATO wall. NATO is now more unified, and more under America's control, than ever. A big fall in Euroskepticism and moves towards the EU (Le Pen is screwed, for example).
And that's the chief reason I think this is a long-term loss: Russia could have done nothing but sell gas and oil for the next 30-40 years while being a decent neighbor, and the EU would have shrunk and NATO would become a shell of itself. Instead, he gets a puppet Ukraine. But then again, seeing that far into the future is near impossible, so who knows?
Chiron
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That and:
We are seeing pictures of single digit losses here and there, occasionally a spot where UkA AT commando teams hit a section. What we are not seeing is entire battalion groups annihilated.
This means the UkA is reduced to local counter attacks and is unable to make a large Corps Level Attack to push the Russians back out of the country and has limited ability to move.
The Russians on the other hand are pushing in their third echelons to deal the death blows now that the 1st and 2nd echelons have done their job in pinning the UkA and forcing them to fritter their reserves in local counter-attacks that are too weak to turn the tide.
And the rate of advance is still faster than the US in the 2003 Iraq War. Its also faster than the German rate of advance in Barbarossa. Chances are that the UkA will begin rapidly disintegrating in the next 72 hours.
They are torturing prisoners to give these statements against their will?
Delusional. You seem to be mistaking China for a charity. China doesn't give away 10 figure sums for shits and giggles because Putin wants to play empire in Ukraine, China has plenty of own imperial ventures it would be more eager to sponsor. China would expect massive concessions from Russia in return, which Russia would be about as likely to give as it is to leave Ukraine alone.
Which i think is exactly what's behind China's cautious support now. Let Russia get itself into a position where it has no one else but China to make deals with... and then lets make deals.
And the whole point of that is that these deals will be very much not advantageous to Russia, these will be deals Russia would consider downright insulting 2 years ago.
Again divorced from reality. Ukrainians in WW2 fought pretty much on all imaginable sides, because Soviets weren't exactly their friends.
Well, one outcome of this is that, with a Red-Green-Yellow (Libs) government at the helm, of all people, the German armed forces are actually under threat of being turned into a reputable fighting force again. They've already earmarked a 100 billion Euro special budget to finally remedy the equipment shortcomings that have built up over the past 25 years (they still have gloves from the eighties helf together by grime and desperation, for Christ's sake!), and chancellor Scholz has vowed to spend at least 2% of BIP on defense from now on.
Now, how much of that will actually be effective, given it comes from a coalition of the woke? Your guess is as good as mine. You don't just need the money, you also need the boots on the ground, and the right spirit for them. And with regards to the latter a woke left-wing coalition might be the least likely force to actually attract useful recruits.
Now, how much of that will actually be effective, given it comes from a coalition of the woke? Your guess is as good as mine. You don't just need the money, you also need the boots on the ground, and the right spirit for them. And with regards to the latter a woke left-wing coalition might be the least likely force to actually attract useful recruits.
True enough, but I suspect China will have Russia pay quite nicely for whatever services it needs. The Russian central bank has supposedly gathered up to $600 billion in foreign currency reserves that I'm sure they will put to "good" use.
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Carrot of Truth
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Oddly enough historically when those moronically left wing regimes actually feel under threat militarily they ditch all the woke bullshit and start promoting very socially conservative views on things. As has happened in pretty much every communist or "Socialist" regime ever.
Wargamer08
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So, like in glorious Syria, do people have any bets on how many times the last hospital is Kiev is going to be destroyed by the Russians? I think they managed to report that like 10 last times so I'm going for 5. Bonus points if the reporters get the city wrong, and of course wrong year is worth nothing.
49ersfootball
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There's also another factor to consider here: With his unprovoked aggression, Putin made the EU more willing to accept Ukraine. So, theoretically speaking, all the EU needs to do is to offer Ukraine a fast track to EU membership if the Ukrainians will get rid of any Russian puppet government that they will have in their country. That should serve as a huge motivator to many Ukrainians to rebel in some way (whether through terrorism, mass protesters, mass strikes, et cetera), who will obviously prefer to live in the richer and larger EU than in a poorer and heavily sanctioned Russian puppet Ukraine.
And any pro-Russian politicians, government officials, police, et cetera in Ukraine will very likely face a constant risk of being assassinated by Ukrainian nationalists for so long as the Russian occupation of Ukraine will remain in place. And if this occupation will ever end, then I could certainly see Ukraine outright banning all pro-Russian parties, which it did not do before but might very well do right now in order to prevent any subversives from ever being in any future Ukrainian parliaments.
FWIW, even a long-term situation in Ukraine comparable to The Troubles in Northern Ireland combined with Poland's 1980s Solidarity movement (mass strikes, et cetera) could pose quite a challenge for Russia.
it’s really hilarious that the same liberals who will think that the RNC or CPAC stage or whatever it was was designed after an obscure Nazi symbol but show them a 4K picture of a Ukrainian chick wearing one of the most common and obvious ones and they will shut their eyes to it entirely. Also, Ukraine seems way more tolerant of the far right than Russia which is pretty cool.
Some war porn.
Dude in a building sees a tank. Tank sees building.
Russian MoD video of Spetsnaz doing Spetsnaz things with YouTube link.
Apparent video of strikes on the Kyiv TV Tower.
An abandoned Pantsir system apparently set on fire
Yuge explosion of an alleged ammunition depot in Kharkov caused by Russian fire.
Dude in a building sees a tank. Tank sees building.
Russian MoD video of Spetsnaz doing Spetsnaz things with YouTube link.
Apparent video of strikes on the Kyiv TV Tower.
An abandoned Pantsir system apparently set on fire
Yuge explosion of an alleged ammunition depot in Kharkov caused by Russian fire.
49ersfootball
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The calls to ban & double-ban Russia continues to escalate & I am 100% in support of these efforts:
Agent23
Ни шагу назад!
Big nationalists, wearing nazi simbols and not a single Kolovrat in sight.
it’s really hilarious that the same liberals who will think that the RNC or CPAC stage or whatever it was was designed after an obscure Nazi symbol but show them a 4K picture of a Ukrainian chick wearing one of the most common and obvious ones and they will shut their eyes to it entirely. Also, Ukraine seems way more tolerant of the far right than Russia which is pretty cool.
I hope these nazi larping bitches get tapped harder by the Kadirovtsi and the DNR/LNR than Zhukov tapped Berlin...
Also, despite the Universal draft they still have such a large number of females, humm, sounds like these nazi-larping sluts are either there for PR or because there just aren't enough men to fight.
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