Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2

If you want it to pull 5000w of power for a single GPU, sure.
Power feed issues are more solvable than the really fancy chip issues right now, from what it sounds like.

Replacing some fancier chips that need hyperspecialize equipment to make, and a hypercompetent workforce to maintain, with some micro-vacuum-tubes for some purposes seems like a decent stop gap if the roadblocks to building the newest, fanciest chips are so severe.
 
Power feed issues are more solvable than the really fancy chip issues right now, from what it sounds like.

Replacing some fancier chips that need hyperspecialize equipment to make, and a hypercompetent workforce to maintain, with some micro-vacuum-tubes for some purposes seems like a decent stop gap if the roadblocks to building the newest, fanciest chips are so severe.
Or we just... continue doing what we were already doing? Because there's very little downside?
 
Power feed issues are more solvable than the really fancy chip issues right now, from what it sounds like.

Replacing some fancier chips that need hyperspecialize equipment to make, and a hypercompetent workforce to maintain, with some micro-vacuum-tubes for some purposes seems like a decent stop gap if the roadblocks to building the newest, fanciest chips are so severe.
Say bye bye to hyper efficient green mandate compliant consumer and industrial equipment, say hi to higher CO2 emissions.
Also where did you get the idea that vacuum tube based computers, nevermind fancy miniaturized ones, were easy to maintain?
Your PC is an example of easy to maintain, this stuff is not.
 
Or we just... continue doing what we were already doing? Because there's very little downside?
Say bye bye to hyper efficient green mandate compliant consumer and industrial equipment, say hi to higher CO2 emissions.
Also where did you get the idea that vacuum tube based computers, nevermind fancy miniaturized ones, were easy to maintain?
Your PC is an example of easy to maintain, this stuff is not.
And when the CCP goes for Taiwan and the chip fabs are only half done, and the 'modern' chip supply suddenly no longer is what it once was, what other stopgaps are there to fill the void that will be left?

Because the stupid DEI mandates, CO2 hysteria, and other similar stupidity are seriously impeding the domestic chip fabs that were supposed to begin production, and the CCP knows it's on the clock for Taiwan with those US based chip fabs.

Last few years have not left me optimistic about the ability of the US to actually deal with the chip thing, or most foreign affairs issues, competently, and 'devolving' tech in some regards might be a more practical solution. The new micro-vacuum-tube chips seem a possible stop-gap to use to harden against disruptions from around Taiwan.
 
And when the CCP goes for Taiwan and the chip fabs are only half done, and the 'modern' chip supply suddenly no longer is what it once was, what other stopgaps are there to fill the void that will be left?
Or we just... stop the CCP?

Because the stupid DEI mandates, CO2 hysteria, and other similar stupidity are seriously impeding the domestic chip fabs that were supposed to begin production, and the CCP knows it's on the clock for Taiwan with those US based chip fabs.
No, the primary issues are tax related. And the fact that chip fabs take a good 10 years to build fully anyway.

Last few years have not left me optimistic about the ability of the US to actually deal with the chip thing, or most foreign affairs issues, competently, and 'devolving' tech in some regards might be a more practical solution. The new micro-vacuum-tube chips seem a possible stop-gap to use to harden against disruptions from around Taiwan.
Did you know that Intel is an american company too?
 
And when the CCP goes for Taiwan and the chip fabs are only half done, and the 'modern' chip supply suddenly no longer is what it once was, what other stopgaps are there to fill the void that will be left?

Because the stupid DEI mandates, CO2 hysteria, and other similar stupidity are seriously impeding the domestic chip fabs that were supposed to begin production, and the CCP knows it's on the clock for Taiwan with those US based chip fabs.

Last few years have not left me optimistic about the ability of the US to actually deal with the chip thing, or most foreign affairs issues, competently, and 'devolving' tech in some regards might be a more practical solution. The new micro-vacuum-tube chips seem a possible stop-gap to use to harden against disruptions from around Taiwan.
The problem with that approach is that a microchip package for advanced tech is the size of a rice grain to the size of a baseball in our electronics. From smartphones to warheads. Vacuum tubes would require us to go back to 30lbs brick phones and Sidewinders near the size of a GBU-57A. That's a 30000lbs missile most of the weight would be fuel and the guidance computer and the power supply for that cpu. You'd get 10% to 15% at most for the payload. I love robust systems, but I hated the government issued mobile radios they had us lug in the 90s
 
Or we just... stop the CCP?
...yeah, maybe, if DC's many, many CCP pawns are finally removed before the CCP launch their go.

Not holding my breath on that.
No, the primary issues are tax related. And the fact that chip fabs take a good 10 years to build fully anyway.
From what I'd seen DEI issues related to hiring and actually having people who are more than diversity quota positions getting into the pipeline.

Tax issues are news to me, though not at all surprised they've cropped up.

Also not surprised on the timing of the chip fabs, not if they want to do it right.
Did you know that Intel is an american company too?
My understanding was the highest end chips of any company these days were fab'd in Taiwan, so whatever good stuff Intel has was stuck in the same supply constraints if things went loud.

I know some Israeli chip production is rather high end, and Intel works with Israel, but I didn't think they had the highest end fab's like Taiwan has.
 
Last few years have not left me optimistic about the ability of the US to actually deal with the chip thing, or most foreign affairs issues, competently, and 'devolving' tech in some regards might be a more practical solution. The new micro-vacuum-tube chips seem a possible stop-gap to use to harden against disruptions from around Taiwan.
The problem is t hat this stop gap is more like a dozen step backwards and not even necessarily cheaper while at it.
 
The problem with that approach is that a microchip package for advanced tech is the size of a rice grain to the size of a baseball in our electronics. From smartphones to warheads. Vacuum tubes would require us to go back to 30lbs brick phones and Sidewinders near the size of a GBU-57A. That's a 30000lbs missile most of the weight would be fuel and the guidance computer and the power supply for that cpu. You'd get 10% to 15% at most for the payload. I love robust systems, but I hated the government issued mobile radios they had us lug in the 90s
I'm not talking about putting these in the highest end gear, but as a stop gap where high end chips may be needed in middling importance gear, so the good chips can be husbanded for the most critical piece's of war material.
The problem is t hat this stop gap is more like a dozen step backwards and not even necessarily cheaper while at it.
It's more about logistical/production redundancy in the face of uncertain supply chains, than being bleeding edge in tech or being cheap.

You know the idea of a 'high-low mix' in terms of things like aircraft, munitions, ect?
 
It's more about logistical/production redundancy in the face of uncertain supply chains, than being bleeding edge in tech or being cheap.

You know the idea of a 'high-low mix' in terms of things like aircraft, munitions, ect?
The difference is that the "low" part of the mix is usually older, cheaper, and often already existing and well tested technology.
This "alternative" is new and not cheap, with its own supply chain that also doesn't exist yet and may have challenges we don't even hear about.
Who the fuck is going to pay for that?
 
You know the idea of a 'high-low mix' in terms of things like aircraft, munitions, ect?

This "alternative" is new and not cheap, with its own supply chain that also doesn't exist yet and may have challenges we don't even hear about.
Who the fuck is going to pay for that?
Not your politicians. They routinely fuck you over costing quadruple the funds keeping old shit running when building new would have saved you two thirds in the long run. Looking at that advanced gun program of yours. It'd have been a wonderful artillery piece with cheap ammo. But your congress said no just make a limited production. Cost went from a billion USD for shells at 4k USD to multiple billions for shells at 15k, we'll 20k now after the pandemic. You'd have had 155mm gun SPGs with half a HIMARS' range now if your senators and congress hadn't snatched at that pork barrel.

Now the gun is canceled, and the shells are too expensive for the improvement they provide without the range of the experimental gun it was designed for.
 
From what I'd seen DEI issues related to hiring and actually having people who are more than diversity quota positions getting into the pipeline.

Tax issues are news to me, though not at all surprised they've cropped up.

Also not surprised on the timing of the chip fabs, not if they want to do it right.
DEI... in texas?
My understanding was the highest end chips of any company these days were fab'd in Taiwan, so whatever good stuff Intel has was stuck in the same supply constraints if things went loud.

I know some Israeli chip production is rather high end, and Intel works with Israel, but I didn't think they had the highest end fab's like Taiwan has.
Intel has their major fabs... in israel.
 
DEI... in texas?
No, over in Arizona; the chip plant that was going in there was having DEI issues with getting the hiring done right.
Intel has their major fabs... in israel.
I thought Intel was another one who had most gear in Taiwan; if they are mostly in Israel, that is a little bit of breathing room on the chip supply if things go loud near Taiwan.
 
No, over in Arizona; the chip plant that was going in there was having DEI issues with getting the hiring done right.

I thought Intel was another one who had most gear in Taiwan; if they are mostly in Israel, that is a little bit of breathing room on the chip supply if things go loud near Taiwan.

Nope, just TSMC in taiwan. Nvidia and AMD use TSMC.
 
If you think it is that simple, why does China have a notable problem with this stuff?
China which is willing to throw bigger money at what it considers strategic interests (the military utility of that stuff is hard to overstate and they do get sanctioned on electronics imports) and are famous for not giving a crap about IP.
And I don't think China is 30 years away from today's state of the art.
Making billions upon billions of dollars isn't enough?
Do you mean billions in profit or billions in revenue? After how many billions of investment?
 
And I don't think China is 30 years away from today's state of the art.
China has its problem with replicating very quality sensitive tech.
If they are that fast in dealing with such problems, why are they barely starting to end their reliance on Russian fighter engines which in turn are merely late Cold War tech?
Catching up to the absolutely best stuff in many field is way harder than merely getting something passable going.
 
Do you mean billions in profit or billions in revenue? After how many billions of investment?
Both.

They would effectively be able to charge however much they wanted, since they'd only have 1 competitor who have a limited hardware output (like 4 machines per year).
 
What sort of profit does the company they'd be copying post?
Net income was 8.197 billion dollars for the 12 month period ending on sept 30, 2023. Revenue for the twelve month period ending on march 31, 2024 was 28.329 billion. Gross profit margin was 49.47% in 2022 with an operating profit margin being 30.49%.

The company is called ASML Holding.
 



Well, this is a new level of attack by Russian 5th column agents.

Also, WTF with removing the thread from the politics section; it's like someone is trying to contain and hide issues with regards to what is going on in the conflict, and we had separate military and political threads for this conflict for a reason.

Guess some people want to try to pretend this conflict is not part of the political equation of the wider world.
 

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