Largo
Well-known member
False flag attacks on the scale you are thinking of don't exist.
Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2
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Flash Flag involving a "Russian" plan crossing into Poland, bombs a place that is not only US Troops, and then disappears without being shot down or eeen or known about?
Yeah that isn't how this works.
No. He can't and be doesn't make the deployments for active duty troops...
Yes and no.
Some of them are for that, others not so much. Our naval bases generally arnt as they also do port calls in other countries.
Our base in Poland is a joint Poland US base.
In Korea we have shut down multiple to centralize. Because we are having the Koreans fight the war if it happens with our support but nit us doing most of it.
Japan is a staging ground though yes.
As is Germany.
Bigking321
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Well... yeah. It's basically a proxy war.
Ukraine and Russia could have had a peace deal a long time ago if Nato and the western elites weren't enjoying the war so much and doing everything in their power to keep it going.
If I were a average Ukrainian citizen I'd be quite upset with the whole thing. I wouldn't feel gratitude at all.
Ukraine and Russia could have had a peace deal a long time ago if Nato and the western elites weren't enjoying the war so much and doing everything in their power to keep it going.
If I were a average Ukrainian citizen I'd be quite upset with the whole thing. I wouldn't feel gratitude at all.
mrttao
Well-known member
I am a bit surprised that you, who insisted this is not a proxy war, would post news where finland officially states this is a proxy war.
did you change your mind on the subject?
>deal
You mean occupation. Have you seen any polling regarding that in Ukraine?
I at least admit its a proxy war and not a nice thing to do.
But the russians have been a pain in america's ass for roughly a century now and I just want them gone as a relevant power.
The fact the Ukrainians actually do want to join Russia and this proxy war has been going on for a year and a half is impressive. Imagine how formidable they'd be if Ukrainians had an actual desire to resist Russia instead of just being proxies.
Bigking321
Well-known member
Eh... I wouldn't go that far. I'm sure most Ukrainians would have been perfectly happy not getting invaded, regardless of the geopolitical reasons for it.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
Ukraine like poland, is between Russia and germany being in between those two powers means your getting invaded sooner or later.
Yeah, sure, but i'll still take polls over imaginations of pacifists, isolationists and other assorted dreamers.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
You mean you'll take polls that confirm what you already believe is true. Because I've seen how you react to ones that don't.
Remind me, where did they come from, and were they trustworthy?
Terthna
Professional Lurker
Does it matter? You and I both know you're only asking those questions so that you can use them as a springboard to try and argue why polls that don't agree with you don't count. For example, I could point out this or that poll that shows that a majority of people in Crimea supported its annexation by Russia, which you'd then summarily dismiss as nothing more than pro-Russia propaganda.
Well then you would be wrong. I would however point out the highly interesting question of how can one do a trustworthy poll in Russia or Russian controlled Crimea considering the deeply interested attitude of Russian state and secret police towards pollsters and the people they interview.
And yes, your very source link points at an effect of Russian propaganda too, see the TV channel section.
And even if the sentiment in Crimea is totally genuine and not forced or faked, that still in no way would justify the landgrab Russia did, lest it wants US Marines to land in one of its minority regions (for biggest lulz, ask the parts of Siberia with oil if they would want to be Americans) and do a poll about sovereignty there, it's just simply a kind of action that is generally not considered acceptable among all countries of the world, that is if it was aimed at them at least.
Not to mention the armed Russian soldiers and 'partisans' walking around asking, "Who are you going to vote for?"
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
There's one poll that cannot be faked, and that is the sheer ferocity with which the Ukrainians have resisted the invasion.
This is not something you get when cynical and jaded soldiers are being directed to spend their lives for the profit of a disinterested and immoral elite who sees them as nothing more than a resource to spend.
No, that's much more the attitude we see from the Russian military.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
And there you go; making excuses as to why said poll that says something you don't like doesn't count. Not exactly as I said you would, but close enough for the difference to be purely semantic.
Said Ukrainians being the ones from the part of the country that so hated Russia, they backed a violent coup of their previous pro-Russia government in favor of one that is decidedly anti-Russia. Not really much of a surprise there, if I'm being honest.