Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2

[AnimalNoodles]

Senators propose resolution threatening war with Russia if Putin uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine

“The threat of a use of a nuclear device by Russia is real,” Graham said.

www.wfla.com

They are preparing for their false flag

 

[Bacle]

They are preparing for their false flag

The Russian's fucking mined the cooling system at the ZNPP, and blew the dam; Russia wants the radiological damage to Ukraine and NATO, without striking NATO directly, and this is DC calling them out.

It is ensure no one in Russia is under any illusions that they will get to get away with nuclear terrorism or nuclear strikes on Ukraine, and get to pretend they are responsible for the fallout which will hit eastern Europe.

Of course you'll deny all of this, and keep being a good little shill for Putin, because 'muh GAE/globohomo'.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

The Russian's fucking mined the cooling system at the ZNPP, and blew the dam; Russia wants the radiological damage to Ukraine and NATO, without striking NATO directly, and this is DC calling them out.

It is ensure no one in Russia is under any illusions that they will get to get away with nuclear terrorism or nuclear strikes on Ukraine, and get to pretend they are responsible for the fallout which will hit eastern Europe.

Of course you'll deny all of this, and keep being a good little shill for Putin, because 'muh GAE/globohomo'.

Russia didnt blow the dam. They had no reason to.

Russia doesnt want to irradiate Europe. Thats stupid. Typical neoliberal mindset that its enemies are irrational, stupid, evil or all three and do stuff because they are insane. Russia is winning, and doesnt need any kind of nuclear anything.

The USA however, IS looking for a reason to get involved and has a long history of false flag shit.

 

[Bassoe]

Really, NATO lost all credibility when they didn’t immediately dump Ukraine for the attempted false flag missile attack against Poland to invoke Article Five and get us all killed in a nuclear apocalypse.

 

[Zachowon]

Except it wasn't a flash flag and was an overshoot from a missed interception if a Russian missile...

 

[King Arts]

It's arguably unconstitutional in the case of the US. The President is Commander-in-Chief of the US military and is obligated to defend the US against all enemies foreign and domestic.

If the President determines that some military action is necessary to the defense of the US then he has the Constitutional obligation to order it carried out; regardless of Congress's opinion on the matter.

Congress can refuse to appropriate funds for a specific military operation (or in general) and can choose to Impeach the President if they disagree with his actions but Congress has very minimal oversight on US military operations in general.

There are other powers that the President gains via legislative grant in a declared war and the Presidents ability to use the military domestically runs into other constitutional issues; but for foreign military operations Congress has basically zero Constitutional authority to restrict the Presidents ability to order those in basically any respect.

Yeah I’m gonna heavily disagree, and say what you said is unconstitutional on the same level as gun grabbers. It basically removes a power of congress declaring war. If the president has the ability to order an attack on anyone then that makes the power to declare war pointless.

 

[Marduk]

Yeah I’m gonna heavily disagree, and say what you said is unconstitutional on the same level as gun grabbers. It basically removes a power of congress declaring war. If the president has the ability to order an attack on anyone then that makes the power to declare war pointless.

War as passed by congress comes with certain specific war powers and other consequences. Some lesser conflicts, like suppressing bandits in Mexico or wrecking a middle eastern pirate haven neither justify nor necessitate those.
What then?
And then there are sudden events like nuclear war, NK-SK invasion and so on, where waiting for the congress to meet and declare war is just not practical.

 

[King Arts]

War as passed by congress comes with certain specific war powers and other consequences. Some lesser conflicts, like suppressing bandits in Mexico or wrecking a middle eastern pirate haven neither justify nor necessitate those.
What then?
And then there are sudden events like nuclear war, NK-SK invasion and so on, where waiting for the congress to meet and declare war is just not practical.

Again it’s not practical so what lots of what is in the constitution is not practical.
What powers does a war declaration give then if the president can start conflicts with thousands dead without congressional approval?

 

[Marduk]

Again it’s not practical so what lots of what is in the constitution is not practical.

No, it means your personal interpretation of the US constitution is impractical. Even in the time of people who wrote it they went with lesser conflict without declaring war, however for them the current year outrage of "but how can the president start conflicts and get people killed!" was kinda alien to them. Considering Mexico, Britain, Indian Wars and Wild West, they were a lot more used to government having to do some violence on someone than that, people were killed on the frontier every day.

What powers does a war declaration give then if the president can start conflicts with thousands dead without congressional approval?

47 U.S. Code § 606 - War powers of President

www.law.cornell.edu

Declaration of war by the United States - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There were questions about how that fits with the constitution back when it was passed too:

War Powers Clause - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Bacle]

The peripheral republics may be seeing their chance to break free of Moscow.

 

[King Arts]

No, it means your personal interpretation of the US constitution is impractical. Even in the time of people who wrote it they went with lesser conflict without declaring war, however for them the current year outrage of "but how can the president start conflicts and get people killed!" was kinda alien to them. Considering Mexico, Britain, Indian Wars and Wild West, they were a lot more used to government having to do some violence on someone than that, people were killed on the frontier every day.

Then I guess your personal interpretation of the 2nd amendment allowing individuals instead of state militias to keep weapons is also wrong and impractical.

Again there is a difference between fighting pirates, and soldiers on the border of your nation defending themselves from attacks. That is one thing, yet it is completely different to go ahead and launch invasions or plan campaigns and attack other nations.

Also the war powers act is not what we were talking about, that is congress giving up it's ability and authority to the president for those few days. That can be debated but I would say that is ok, I was responding to someone who said that congress has no power over foreign military deployments and the president is in charge of EVERYTHING. Now with the war powers act and other authorizations by congress for military force that is ok because congress still AUTHORIZED it.

 

[Marduk]

Then I guess your personal interpretation of the 2nd amendment allowing individuals instead of state militias to keep weapons is also wrong and impractical.

You don't know what it is, it is irrelevant to the topic, and compare to how the leadership of Founding Fathers era treated it.

Again there is a difference between fighting pirates, and soldiers on the border of your nation defending themselves from attacks. That is one thing, yet it is completely different to go ahead and launch invasions or plan campaigns and attack other nations.

Where is that distinction in the constitution? It's your personal fanfiction for the constitution.

Also the war powers act is not what we were talking about, that is congress giving up it's ability and authority to the president for those few days. That can be debated but I would say that is ok, I was responding to someone who said that congress has no power over foreign military deployments and the president is in charge of EVERYTHING. Now with the war powers act and other authorizations by congress for military force that is ok because congress still AUTHORIZED it.

Again, it was gray area before War Powers Resolution, and if you read it closely, afterwards Congress declaring war is one of several possible excuses for the president to use military force in another country.

 

[ATP]

Another proof,that USA do not want Ukraine win -

Mark Brzeziński,USA ambassador in Warsaw still support Donald Tusk,which is german puppet.
And germans are allied with Moscov.

On other hand,China welcomed all soviet "khagans" from muslim ex-soviet states in Xi,an,but not welcomed Moscov.
Basically,it is China turf now,not Moscov.

The same states belong to organization of turkish states,lead by Erdogan.

So,USA are helping Moscov,when China and Turkey are destroing their influence.

We live in clown world,but if notching change,we need to change alliances - if USA no longer schield us from germans&Moscov,Turkey could.They are arleady colonize germany,after all !

 

[Bacle]

So looks like Bulgaria, or at least one of their gov ministers, thinks Russia blew up an arms factory a couple days back.

Bulgaria is a NATO member, and this would be a direct attack on a NATO member if Russia is actually behind this.

 

[AmosTrask]

Three points today:

So Putin just claimed on live TV that Wagner was owned by the Russian MOD under Gerasimov.

Gerasimov and Shoigu awarded for stopping the Wagner Rebellion.

FSO is purging the military officer corps and subjecting everyone to loyalty tests. It's fucking Stalin all over again. Exactly like Stalin including starting a purge in the middle of a god damned war.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

including starting a purge in the middle of a god damned war.

It's gotta happen when you see it I guess.

 

[AmosTrask]

It's gotta happen when you see it I guess.

It's beautiful in its madness.

 

[DarthOne]

So much for the idea that he was only going after Orthodox individuals with ‘ties to Russia’.

 

[Zachowon]

Let's actually read it instead of jumping to a bias headline

 

[DarthOne]

Let's actually read it instead of jumping to a bias headline

Of course YOU’D say that!