Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2

Zachowon said:
> A top aide to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky met Wednesday with Keith Kellogg, Trump's choice as special envoy for Russia and Ukraine, and Mike Waltz, the incoming national-security adviser, according to a Trump transition official and several people familiar with the discussions.
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> Vice president-elect JD Vance joined in the discussions.
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> Kellogg has signaled support for the Biden administration's efforts to rush weapons to Ukraine, saying it will give Trump leverage with Moscow in negotiating a settlement. But the Trump team has shown little interest in offering Ukraine membership in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, which Zelensky has said he considers a vital security guarantee against future Russian aggression.
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> Andriy Yermak, Zelensky's closest adviser, is visiting Washington to forge relationships with Trump aides, according to people familiar with the planning. He met with the incoming White House chief of staff, Susie Wiles, in Florida earlier Wednesday. Worn down by waging the nearly three-year war against Russia, Ukraine plans to communicate its readiness for peace.
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> "But that needs to be a sustainable peace," said a person familiar with Kyiv's thinking. "An unstable, temporary peace doesn't serve U.S. or Ukrainian interests."
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> Zelensky has recently signaled Ukraine could agree to a cease-fire if Ukraine were permitted to join NATO. Kyiv would seek to win back Ukrainian territory occupied by Russia through diplomatic pressure, he said, rather than force, as he has long insisted.
(backup:Ukraine to Talk With Trump Team About Ending War With Russia - WSJ)
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So far this seems to be going just as i predicted.
Trump gets a bunch of more hawkish GOP people into administration and they try to "end the war" their way because Trump is not a fan of surrender monkeying and doesn't want to be known for that for the rest of his life.
Doubly so after Democrats got shat on for poorly handling Afghanistan withdrawal.
So he tries to offer a basic bitch "peace plan" that doesn't look like that, and Putin most likely goes hell no, because that's not the victory he needs to excuse having the war in the first place.
What follows is a dog and pony show (and it might be an impressive one with both Trump and Zelensky being professional showmen) with the intended result of pulling GOP dissenters in the direction of doubling down on military support to Ukraine on the basis of "we really tried, but the man in Kremlin said no, so continuing war it is".
 
Marduk said:
So far this seems to be going just as i predicted.
Trump gets a bunch of more hawkish GOP people into administration and they try to "end the war" their way because Trump is not a fan of surrender monkeying and doesn't want to be known for that for the rest of his life.
Doubly so after Democrats got shat on for poorly handling Afghanistan withdrawal.
So he tries to offer a basic bitch "peace plan" that doesn't look like that, and Putin most likely goes hell no, because that's not the victory he needs to excuse having the war in the first place.
What follows is a dog and pony show (and it might be an impressive one with both Trump and Zelensky being professional showmen) with the intended result of pulling GOP dissenters in the direction of doubling down on military support to Ukraine on the basis of "we really tried, but the man in Kremlin said no, so continuing war it is".
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In other words trump is gonna betray his base
 
AnimalNoodles said:
In other words trump is gonna betray his base
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>his base
No, the Putin simp faction is not Trump's base.
Ukraine support is a roughly 50/50 issue among GOP voters according to polling, slightly more pro among independents, and no one said the anti 50 is Trump's base as opposed to the other 50.
He certainly did not act like they were, see his decisions on INF, Russia sanctions and Javelins during the first term, and what certain media personalities said, that's on them and their audience being idiots - and supporting what they are, they definitely deserve being treated like idiots.
 


Very direct video about why UA needs to not put all it's hopes on NATO membership, and instead seek alliances outside it's framework, while also finding something to offer the west in return for aid, instead of relying on charity for their defense logistics/production.
 
AnimalNoodles said:
In other words trump is gonna betray his base
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Just because the isolationist right is very vocal, does not mean they are a majority of the right.

Note that here, on a right-wing forum, it's at best a plurality minoritarian position. I can't think of any conservatives I know IRL who hold the position, and have only even in passing met a couple.

'Stop supporting Ukraine' has never been a majority conservative position.
 


So this came out of nowhere; guess Trump going to see Notre Dame reopen was an opportunity for a sitdown with both Macron and Zelensky.
 
What is Fridmens politics?
Asking to see if people will calm him one or the other
 
Zachowon said:
What is Fridmens politics?
Asking to see if people will calm him one or the other
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His politics, from what I've seen in his stuff with Rogan and on his own show, are very middle of the road, and very much openminded to learning new things.

He will be interviewing Putin supposedly, to get both sides of the war, but unlike Tucker Carlson, Friedman actually wants to talk to both sides, which is why he talked to Zelensky first.

He also supposedly putting together Russian language content on a Youtube channel that some are saying is pro-Ru, with interviews with 'pro-Ru' voices in the US, for Russian civies to watch. May be trying to create a channel to thaw relations between parts of the US and Russia, while also giving UA/Zelensky a voice/channel that punches through Ru censorship/filters.



Not sure what the end goal is for all this, but Friedman isn't doing a self-aggrandizing propaganda op for the Kremlin the same way Tucker did.
 
Bacle said:


The interview with Zelensky is up.
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Kind of annoyed there isn't a stream with the original audio and using English subtitles.

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Oh wait nevermind.. the Original Audio is under English (United Kingdom) instead of English (Original) for some reason.

Because that makes sense... :p
 
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Husky_Khan said:
Oh wait nevermind.. the Original Audio is under English (United Kingdom) instead of English (Original) for some reason.

Because that makes sense... :p
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It's a hack Lex and his team found to get the original audio in there. YouTube really doesn't seem to give a shit about this sort of use, just commercial media multi-language support.
 
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