Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2

"He would have committed treason if he had the chance" is firmly into thoughtcrime territory. No thanks.
He actively assisted an adversary of the United States.
That means he would do it again, or even possibly against the US.
Should we wait to see if he actually would. Yes.
But dude should get charged wirh accessory to murder
 
Google currently owes the Russian government 2,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 rubles which is the equivalent of 20 decillion dollars for blocking access on YouTube to seventeen Russian media companies, including Zvezda, Russia 1, Public Television of Russia and many more. All of these channels testified in court as to Google blocking or banning their YouTube channel so now the unbiased Russian courts have levied the appropriate fines against Google.



In case your curious, the current global GDP is around ten trillion dollars... which has like... twenty zeroes then a decillion so it might be a while before Google can payoff this fine.



The amount of the fine has been increasing... weekly... 💀
 
The sad thing is this might be the best. The best time to give them the equipment they needed was in the first year. They had the army but not the weapons, but now the have the weapons but not the army. They are about to conscript old men and force other nations to deport their men back which is not going to be pleasant for anyone.

The best thing to do is find a truce and get the time needed to build a strong army. Course the Russians are going to do the same but this war is going to have a third round.
 
I don't see what you see in that.
Some people just have it as a pre-accepted narrative.

I can see Trump pushing through a deal where Ukraine makes some territorial concessions in the Donbass, but the deal overall heavily favors them.

Trump is too wise on the importance of not rewarding bullies to give Vlad anything more than a token win though, so even something like that would almost certainly include Ukraine in NATO.
 
And Russia wouldn't accept that.
Russia has stated they won't take anything less then the Donbass, Crimea, and gurantee Ukraine not in NATO
 
Yeah, they'll be forced to change their tune real quick.
Yup, if it comes to that, Trump's plans will come down to whether he will force them to change their tune, and how effectively he will do that. And once that happens, the perspectives of the war and what is a realistic end to it may change dramatically.

Because Russia will, as always, insist on a "freeze deal" in a form that allows them to quickly jump back to finishing their business at any moment in the future they find convenient, while any lasting deal would require NATO membership or troop presence that will be very inconvenient for that, as opposed to just a "pinky promise" deal based on Putin saying that he will totally not invade again, trust me bro.
 
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The sad thing is this might be the best. The best time to give them the equipment they needed was in the first year. They had the army but not the weapons, but now the have the weapons but not the army. They are about to conscript old men and force other nations to deport their men back which is not going to be pleasant for anyone.

The best thing to do is find a truce and get the time needed to build a strong army. Course the Russians are going to do the same but this war is going to have a third round.
I strongly back the Ukrainians, but Zelensky will be forced by Trump to get into a de-facto peace settlement with Putin. Like you said, it's going to be gut-punch for the Ukrainians, but it's likely for the best.

Biden's slow-walking of giving the Ukrainians the necessary equipment is the main reason why this war has dragged on.
 
I strongly back the Ukrainians, but Zelensky will be forced by Trump to get into a de-facto peace settlement with Putin. Like you said, it's going to be gut-punch for the Ukrainians, but it's likely for the best.

Biden's slow-walking of giving the Ukrainians the necessary equipment is the main reason why this war has dragged on.
Trump's former Secretary of State has a very different view on how this will look like.
 
I strongly back the Ukrainians, but Zelensky will be forced by Trump to get into a de-facto peace settlement with Putin. Like you said, it's going to be gut-punch for the Ukrainians, but it's likely for the best.

Biden's slow-walking of giving the Ukrainians the necessary equipment is the main reason why this war has dragged on.

Trump's former Secretary of State has a very different view on how this will look like.
I have no idea why people think that Trump is going to come in and force Ukraine to surrender whole swaths of occupied territory and force them into NATO at the same time. Those are two things that are guaranteed to result in failure.

Trump knows to negotiate from a position of strength. The only way to make sure the other side knows your strong is to smack them so hard in the mouth that they take a step back 'voluntarily', step forward into the space they left, and then tell them you'll stop smashing their face in if they agree to put their hands down.
 
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I have no idea why people think that Trump is going to come in and force Ukraine to surrender whole swaths of occupied territory and force them into NATO at the same time. Those are two things that are guaranteed to result in failure.

Trump knows to negotiate from a position of strength. The only way to make sure the other side knows your strong is to smack them so hard in the mouth that they take a step back 'voluntarily', step forward into the space they left, and then tell them you'll stop smashing their face in if they agree to put their hands down.
I could see a situation where Russia keeps Crimea in an arrangement like this, but it would be conditional on good behaviour. That’s if Trump takes a hardline.

I fear a few MAGA crowders may be very disappointed when Trump doesn’t leave Ukraine out to dry.
 
Really?

I’d have thought that would be the big sticking point. Sevastopol is strategically vital to Russia and they wouldn’t give that up without throwing a huge fuss.
Looking at what's currently on going...Crimea and Sevastopol is likely to be the 1st piece of territory that Russia would be forced to fall back from. Russians there don't have a plentiful fresh water supply since the dams have blown though that can be mitigated by rationing use and shorting the civilian side of things. There's not really any where secure there in regards to port facilities. A LOT of the ADA positioned there has been constantly attacked and heavily attritted. In addition, there has been increasing levels of partisan activity on Crimea as well. Now throw in that the main bridges liking Crimea to mainland Ukraine are close to being completely useless, and you have a recipe for strategic disaster.
 

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