Russia-Ukraine War Politics Thread Mk. 2

[prinCZess]

The Russian's just lost a Tu-22M to wither friendly fire or UA fire; either way, that's another strategic bomber they cannot replace.

This is a complete and total tangent, but...
There's a weird...not 'beauty' at all, but a good appearance...to the mid-60s Soviet design bureau love-affair with big honkin' air intakes that extend to just behind the cockpit and makes the whole plane just...look like a Soviet apartment block but in a good way somehow? The Tu-22M, the Mig 23/27, the Mig-25/31 (which is easily the most attractive of all these), the SU-24...

The closest the US ever got to such is the F-15, which maybe makes sense if it was cribbing off the Mig-25 in the first place, but US designers...I dunnow, mounted the intakes lower and rounded things off more and changed the body design of the aircraft such that it doesn't have that same should-be-ugly-but-isn't appearance to it...

Maybe I'm just crazy and, as said, this is totally and completely unrelated. Just always feel compelled to point it out when I notice it.

Anyhow, if wikipedia-claims are worth anything, there were supposedly only 66 22Ms in service circa 2021. Dunnow if this is the first Russia has lost during their whole Ukriane intervention fiasco or if there's been previous destroyed on runway or otherwise lost.

 

[Zachowon]

This is a complete and total tangent, but...
There's a weird...not 'beauty' at all, but a good appearance...to the mid-60s Soviet design bureau love-affair with big honkin' air intakes that extend to just behind the cockpit and makes the whole plane just...look like a Soviet apartment block but in a good way somehow? The Tu-22M, the Mig 23/27, the Mig-25/31 (which is easily the most attractive of all these), the SU-24...

The closest the US ever got to such is the F-15, which maybe makes sense if it was cribbing off the Mig-25 in the first place, but US designers...I dunnow, mounted the intakes lower and rounded things off more and changed the body design of the aircraft such that it doesn't have that same should-be-ugly-but-isn't appearance to it...

Maybe I'm just crazy and, as said, this is totally and completely unrelated. Just always feel compelled to point it out when I notice it.

Anyhow, if wikipedia-claims are worth anything, there were supposedly only 66 22Ms in service circa 2021. Dunnow if this is the first Russia has lost during their whole Ukriane intervention fiasco or if there's been previous destroyed on runway or otherwise lost.

66 that they say is working.
Could be less

 

[AmosTrask]

66 that they say is working.
Could be less

Only twenty unique marked planes have ever been seen flying. The rest are either being modernized or kept for spares. With the recent reversals it more like 12 active and the other 8 in repairs from Ukrainian inflicted damage.

Now whether those twenty uniquely marked planes are twenty actual planes or they used the old Soviet trick of repainting the vehicles with different unit markers and replacing the pilots? I don't know.

 

[AmosTrask]

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[AmosTrask]

Russian bots are exploiting YouTube bullshit to shut down pro-Ukrainian channels again. It's only a matter of time before they go after larger channels again.

 

[Agent23]

 

[Marduk]

Ben Swann - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Current work

Swann relaunched Truth in Media in 2018 after he was fired by WGCL-TV.[32] Starting in 2018 he began publishing pieces for the Liberty Nation website.[33] Swann launched the Isegoria social media platform,[34] named from the ancient Greek meaning "Equality of all in freedom of speech".[35] He later returned to RT America in 2018. In FARA filings disclosed in August 2022, Swann was paid $6.8 million by the Russian government in order to produce propaganda TV content for the South America, Indian, and Chinese markets.[36]

Axios and Politico reported Swann's production company was to produce four shows for TV Novosti -- which owns Russia Today -- Russian firm Kart LLC, and Armenian Stark Industries LLC. The themes of the Russian-backed programs would be "the United States and NATO continuing to spread war", "the economic warfare waged by the United States and its allies" and "transgender issues in the United States". Additionally, Axios reported "Swann also received more than $600,000 to pay employees of [RT America production company] T&R productions who were laid off when [RT America] closed"[37][38][36]

In October 2021, Swann's Isegoria platform launched Sovren Media, a self-described "uncensored, blockchain-based, decentralized news and entertainment platform."[36][39]

He became a TV sports producer, and later a news journalist and producer, and managing editor on network affiliates, FOX, and RT America of the Russian state-owned TV network RT.

Oh my, is this "we repost state propaganda videos long and short for shits and giggles" season again? Shit, i missed the start of it, lemme make it up:

 

[Agent23]

Ben Swann - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Oh my, is this "we repost state propaganda videos long and short for shits and giggles" season again? Shit, i missed the start of it, lemme make it up:

>Angry NAFO noises!
>Ree anyone who has ever agreed to talk to or work with muh Russkies must be completely and totally in their pocket.
>Something, something, precious vital fluids....
Hillary, dis U?!?!
Good job dredging random crap against his guest and bitching and moaning and going into "but muh actually" mod, but frankly Auron is spot on on the matter, just like he is on multiple other topics.

And you sound like the usual neocon and neolibtard gibberish + a severe case of polish Russia syndrome.

Should we exclude you of all discussions about Russia because of the usual Polish attitude towards dem darned Russkies?
Honestly, it would be a lot easier to deal with the McCarthy and other stereotypes we have if some people were not behaving just like them, seriously, they were invented by the frigging left.

Now go to bed!

 

[Marduk]

>Angry NAFO noises!
>Ree anyone who has ever agreed to talk to or work with muh Russkies must be completely and totally in their pocket.
>Something, something, precious vital fluids....
Hillary, dis U?!?!
Good job dredging random crap against his guest and bitching and moaning and going into "but muh actually" mod, but frankly Auron is spot on on the matter, just like he is on multiple other topics.

Dimitri, is this you?
Did you run out of vodka again?
Auron is desperate for a buck if he invites professional shills like this.

And you sound like the usual neocon and neolibtard gibberish + a severe case of polish Russia syndrome.

You sound like the usual Putin simp with the usual Poland hate syndrome.

Should we exclude you of all discussions about Russia because of the usual Polish attitude towards dem darned Russkies?

Who's "we", did you take your meds today?
Should this guy be excluded from the Western world and relegated to the Russian one which he loves so much that he does probably free propaganda work for it on small internet forums?
Vkontakte is over there, not here.

Honestly, it would be a lot easier to deal with the McCarthy and other stereotypes we have if some people were not behaving just like them, seriously, they were invented by the frigging left.

Now go to bed!

It would be a lot easier if stereotypes like McCarthy would be dealing with stereotypes like you.
Now fuck off back to the bullshit mines you brought your daily quota from.

 

[Agent23]

Dimitri, is this you?
Did you run out of vodka again?
Auron is desperate for a buck if he invites professional shills like this.

I am sure you were axquante with Mr. MacIntyre's body of work waaaay before I posted this.
This is Sarcasm, btw.

You sound like the usual Putin simp with the usual Poland hate syndrome.

I don't hate Poles in general, I actually like you guys for the most part.

I just have a problem with the muh patriarchy obsessed segments of your population that see all of the West as a means for you to play the old and stupid Prometheanism/We wuz Poshspilita/Ree Russia bad and we must invade it game.

Who's "we", did you take your meds today?
Should this guy be excluded from the Western world and relegated to the Russian one which he loves so much that he does probably free propaganda work for it on small internet forums?
Vkontakte is over there, not here.

You are saying random silly stuff, again.

It would be a lot easier if stereotypes like McCarthy would be dealing with stereotypes like you.

McCarthy was:
Way too emotional.
Very ineffective.
Had massive problems with the booze.

Now fuck off back to the bullshit mines you brought your daily quota from.

Ah, as polite as ever.

I do not plan to do a other bout of "no U" type of childish tit for tat "whoever does the last post wins" type of conversation and given your age you should learn already to stop with the obsessive compulsive vitriol spitting.

Good night and don't forget to check for Russkies under your bed.

 

[Marduk]

I am sure you were axquante with Mr. MacIntyre's body of work waaaay before I posted this.
This is Sarcasm, btw.

I'm sure so did you.
This is also sarcasm btw.

I don't hate Poles in general, I actually like you guys for the most part.

I just have a problem with the muh patriarchy obsessed segments of your population that see all of the West as a means for you to play the old and stupid Prometheanism/We wuz Poshspilita/Ree Russia bad and we must invade it game.

Yeah, sure, Russians sure love us too, if only as subjects of their stupid empire of shit, even if we don't want them to love us if that's how their love works.

You are saying random silly stuff, again.

McCarthy was:
Way too emotional.
Very ineffective.
Had massive problems with the booze.

Which is why we have this discussion today and all the previous ones.

Ah, as polite as ever.

I do not plan to do a other bout of "no U" type of childish tit for tat "whoever does the last post wins" type of conversation and given your age you should learn already to stop with the obsessive compulsive vitriol spitting.

Good night and don't forget to check for Russkies under your bed.

Good night and don't forget to check for Polish Prometheanists lurking behind your window.

 

[Agent23]

I'm sure so did you.
This is also sarcasm btw.

Yup, it is not like I haven't posted his videos around here on numerous occasions before that or anything.

Like here, for example.

Or here

Oops...

Yeah, sure, Russians sure love us too, if only as subjects of their stupid empire of shit, even if we don't want them to love us if that's how their love works.

No one is telling you to love them, you can just not act like spoiled brats and constantly reee and attack each-other.

Which is why we have this discussion today and all the previous ones.

Um, no we are having it because you go into Hillary mode whenever someone challenges tour narrative about muh Russia.

Good night and don't forget to check for Polish Prometheanists lurking behind your window.

I doubt you can fit under my bed.

 

[ATP]

I don't hate Poles in general, I actually like you guys for the most part.

I just have a problem with the muh patriarchy obsessed segments of your population that see all of the West as a means for you to play the old and stupid Prometheanism/We wuz Poshspilita/Ree Russia bad and we must invade it game.

Dunno about other things,but only normal poles are those who are "patriarchy obsessed" one,other are leftists or traitors.
Nobody want prometheanism now except Kaczyński,and it is unpopular even in his party.
And we do not want invade Russia,becouse it not longer exist.
We fear next soviet invasion,which could happen.

As should you,soviets want all countries which they once ruled.

Good night and don't forget to check for Russkies under your bed.

russkies died.But kgb agents are real,and their friend is ruling Poland now.

 

[Agent23]

Dunno about other things,but only normal poles are those who are "patriarchy obsessed" one,other are leftists or traitors.
Nobody want prometheanism now except Kaczyński,and it is unpopular even in his party.
And we do not want invade Russia,becouse it not longer exist.
We fear next soviet invasion,which could happen.

It was so late at night I didn't notice the autocorrect typo, nor do I remember what I was talking about originally.

My observation is that most of you really don't want to go to war with Russia or waste your resources on a shithole like Ukraine.

Tusk getting into office with that wierdo coalition of his is probably proof of that.

As should you,soviets want all countries which they once ruled.

russkies died.But kgb agents are real,and their friend is ruling Poland now.

I thought Tusky was a kraut agent, not a KGBStani one?

 

[Marduk]

Yup, it is not like I haven't posted his videos around here on numerous occasions before that or anything.

Like here, for example.

Or here

Oops...

I didn't ask if you spammed links to his videos occassionally.
He's been around the internet since long time as a random commentator on the right, doesn't get very big over the years, just helps out what appears to be a professional Russian shill instead, i guess for some bucks.

No one is telling you to love them, you can just not act like spoiled brats and constantly reee and attack each-other.

Impossible until they lose their delusions of imperial grandeur forever. Until then, as far as Poles are concerned, they will keep our country down unless theirs is kept down, and that choice is clear to me.

Um, no we are having it because you go into Hillary mode whenever someone challenges tour narrative about muh Russia.

And you go fucking Medvedev mode whenever no one reposted RT bullshit around here for some time.
You are welcome to challenge my narrative about Russian in a way that would make Patton look tame. But i refuse to take kindly to boring normal Russia shilling narratives. It's the same fucking boring shilling since years. Muh Zelensky crap again? Dude, i'll spill you a little secret, 90% of the pro-Ukraine side doesn't give a fuck about Zelensky either way.
For all they care Ukrainians can elect a horse Rome style , and that won't change anything in the calculus of supporting them against Russia or not.

I doubt you can fit under my bed.

Speak for yourself.

 

[Agent23]

I didn't ask if you spammed links to his videos occassionally.
He's been around the internet since long time as a random commentator on the right, doesn't get very big over the years, just helps out what appears to be a professional Russian shill instead, i guess for some bucks.

Nope, what you said is that I am not familiar with him.
I am, stop moving goalposts.

Impossible until they lose their delusions of imperial grandeur forever. Until then, as far as Poles are concerned, they will keep our country down unless theirs is kept down, and that choice is clear to me.

Oh, pray tell how they have an Imperial delusion that involves Poland at the moment?
I do not see them doing anything to you guys that is above and beyond your tit-for-tat game.

And my negative views on the partition and on them trying to get you to stop using shliokavitsa are well known.

You guys fit in any type of Slavic or Russian "mir" as well as a saddle fits on a camel.

Which is not to say that you are not likable and should not trade with the orthodox Cyrillic user true Slavs!

Why don't you make a thread about Polish-Russian relations after the fall of the USSR/Putin coming into power so you can vent your frustrations there?

Beats us spamming this thread.

And you go fucking Medvedev mode whenever no one reposted RT bullshit around here for some time.

Look, you are the one that has to go into every single thread about Russia and and incessantly try to attack people's opinions and sources, so I will mock you for it.

I do not capitulate to your form of bully tactics and whataboutism!

You are welcome to challenge my narrative about Russian in a way that would make Patton look tame. But i refuse to take kindly to boring normal Russia shilling narratives. It's the same fucking boring shilling since years. Muh Zelensky crap again? Dude, i'll spill you a little secret, 90% of the pro-Ukraine side doesn't give a fuck about Zelensky either way.
For all they care Ukrainians can elect a horse Rome style , and that won't change anything in the calculus of supporting them against Russia or not.

Speak for yourself.

Zelensky is an oligarchic media creature astroturfed into power Igor Kolomoyski.
He is very corrupt, he can't lead, he got in on a platform to actually end the combat in donbass and give dem ethnic Russkies, or as they call em, "Russian speakers" their autonomy.

Then, he proved completely unable to govern and his ratings collapsed right before the SMO started.

The rest of Ukraine is just as bad, he is just an attention whore, sometimes puppet, although one with loosened strings pulled from many directions, since his main patron got yeeted and chased, probably soon to be convenient scapegoat.

 

[Buba]

I thought Tusky was a kraut agent, not a KGBStani one?

Tusk is both.

 

[ATP]

It was so late at night I didn't notice the autocorrect typo, nor do I remember what I was talking about originally.

My observation is that most of you really don't want to go to war with Russia or waste your resources on a shithole like Ukraine.

Tusk getting into office with that wierdo coalition of his is probably proof of that.

Yes,we do not want to invade kgbstan - but,we do not want to be invaded by them,too.And that what would happen,when Ukraina fall.

I thought Tusky was a kraut agent, not a KGBStani one?

He is,but he is also Putin friend,after 2010 he meet him many times and they embrace each other.

 

[Buba]

Putin controls Tusk through bribed German politicians. Remember, you read this here first!

 

[ATP]

Putin controls Tusk through bribed German politicians. Remember, you read this here first!

You nailed it.Why i do not thought about this first ? per ke!!!!!!!! /or something like that,if i remember old anime right/