King Arts
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The government of Israel has not however extremist Jews within the nation have. Look up price tag attacks those are the most well known.
Middle East Running Iranian threat news and discussion thread
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History Learner
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2003-2011, yah know, the entire war. For someone who claims to be in the service it’s odd you don’t know the Army itself admits they lost to Iran.
The US Army has concluded that Iran was the only victor of the eight-year US campaign to remove Iraqi president Saddam Hussein and replace him with a democratic regime.
That's one of the findings of a massive historical study released Jan. 17, the first major military review of the Iraq war's lessons. Commissioned in 2013 by General Ray Odierno, then the Army's top commander, it was conducted by half a dozen field grade officers at the US Army War College.
Doomsought
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Yeah, anyone could tell that would be the result due to the political choices made during the occupation. Anti-colonialism makes you loose wars even when you see the enemy defeated in every battle.
Ah.
So the fact that it helped Iran get a stronger stance is not the militaries doing.
It is the government politicians doing.
It is also a bunch of officers jacking each other off.
Ask the ones who did the fighting on the ground.
@The Whispering Monk
@Zachowon
I'd love to see what the study actually says as the definition of victory for its analysis. I'd like to SEE the study as well. The link posted is simply article about what people said the study said. Nothing of substance really there.
I personally don't consider Iraq a strategic victory. On the tactical level, we stomped a lot of ass.
I'd love to see what the study actually says as the definition of victory for its analysis. I'd like to SEE the study as well. The link posted is simply article about what people said the study said. Nothing of substance really there.
I personally don't consider Iraq a strategic victory. On the tactical level, we stomped a lot of ass.
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You mentioned the wrong guy my man.
But agreed.
Because, we both know on the level we operate, the actual fighting forces.
Kicked butt
Prince Ire
Section XIII
They're a small and declining minority, but there are Palestinian Christians
And also completely irrelevant. Wars are won or lost based on who accomplished their goals, not who won battles. Battles are merely a means to an end, not ends in themselves.
He said our military lost.
It dod not.
Our country did.
A youtuber I watched put it this way.
The US military is undetectable.
It's populace back home is not, neither is its government.
The jist of it
VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
Christians are in danger under Israeli government, says Holy Land patriarch
Benjamin Netanyahu’s rightwing policies are emboldening attacks on 2,000-year-old community, says Catholic regional leader
www.theguardian.com
Israeli Soldiers have already started to include Christians' in their regular harassment of civilians.
VictortheMonarch
Victor the Crusader
I'm not speaking of the Maronites, i'm speaking of christians as a whole. the soldiers and political extremist are attacking christians in the streets, the soldiers are better at hiding it however. not only that but they are moving forward with a law to ban christianity out right.
And as people have tried to point out repeatedly, war is politics by other means, and wars/conflicts are very rarely decided on the battlefield.
It doesn't matter if a military can win individual battles, if they cannot achieve the political goals set out, or have their goals inconstantly changed.
I know focusing on the battle and ignoring the politics behind it is part of how the US military wants it's people to think in the field, but that falls real flat, real fast, when not dealing with people who are obligated to try to present the military in the best light possible.
Bacle.
The politicians lose the wars, the military wins them.
And I can tell you this.
Our military will beat every single one in the world in combat.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
Sure just like Afghanistan,Iraq, Vietnam,Laos and more.
Our ability to win on the field is not what is at issue, and you yourself admit it, so why do you keep trying to ignore and down play the role political decisions make in what battles are fought and how?
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
It gets really annoying watching you people completely miss the point.
Zachowon isn't saying that Iraq, Afghanistan, and Vietname weren't wars lost. They were, and as he says, they were lost politically.
The problem the US has is political, and acting like it isn't won't solve anything.
When the same group of people keep losing wars maybe it's time to switch them out for someone else....
Yes, the problem is political, and the losses were political.
The problem is Zach keeps acting like battlefield performance and goals of the military is a separate issue from politics, and it very much isn't.
It doesn't matter how good the US military is, if it's goals or objectives are not achievable politically.
It is.
We do not set our goals.
That is set by the civilian leadership.
We just follow what we are told by them.
The actually battlefield is ruled by the military who do all the actual fighting.
We have won every battle but lost the war due to politicians not soldiers.
Don't blame the military because the politicians suck
The problem is, the military is part of the political establishment, and anyone with a star on their shoulder is more politician than soldier.
The enlisted grunts may not be politicians, but pretty much everyone who yeans for a star knows it requires playing the political games.
Edit: In other news, the Taliban are trolling Iran now.