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Then,according to your logic, any country could assasin Izraeli scientists running your country nuclear program.
It would be a hostile action inviting retaliation, but not a war crime.
 

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It would be a hostile action inviting retaliation, but not a war crime.
Both.Becouse attacking without declaring war is war crime.And you have right hang on the spot enemy soldiers which did so.
@GoldRanger seems unable to undarstandt that fact.Of course,iranians murdering jews are doing the same,but they are on the same level.
Like cannibals claiming that they are eating humans in good way.And other cannibals are bad.
 
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Then,according to your logic, any country could assasin Izraeli scientists running your country nuclear program.
What is so hard to grasp?

There was fallout when the US drone nuked General Soleimani but that was over escalating tensions with Iran. No one (well... not many in the West) were like... oh no... that poor General... this is horrible and morally bankrupt. :cry:

There was fallout with the US righteously drone striked a family of aid workers but that was over the fact they drone striked a bunch of innocent civilians including children.

If the Iran had Hezbollah say.... launch a cross border raid to kill and capture Israeli soldiers I'm sure Israel would be just as pissed about it as if the inverse happened to Iran. That's not the issue. There's a difference in scale between having a Palestinian militant hacking an Israeli child to death or stabbing an IDF soldier to death. And I'm sure the same is in play when the IDF blows up a school filled with children as opposed to militants.

It's not fucking rocket surgery to understand the difference.
 

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Facebook is used by China and Iran to spy on people.
 

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It's important to note Facebook isn't the one doing spying on behalf of these governments. They are taking advantage of alleged under moderation on Facebook to find out intelligence that Facebook users have often put up themselves.

This is all because said whistleblower and the Democrats in Congress want more regulation of the internet and for Facebook to only be an intelligence gathering resource for the right people.

Thread on it from a Facebook Security drone:

 
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No they don't.
Trying to make it seem like they are telling the truth
 

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What I find interesting @Sir 1000 is that you seem to be saying it's OK for Iran to do this but not for Israel...

Am I misunderstanding you?

If I'm not getting your point, then what is it?
Ideally it's not okay to attack any of them, however i don't see a reason why Iran should be in the doghouse for hitting back. To answer your question, if Israel want's to hit Iran then fine, just don't expect me or others to consider them hitting back to be the worst most evil thing ever.
 

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Breaking News!

The Ambassador of the Islamic Republic of Iran to the United Nations has urged all states to condemn any form of terrorism.


Better watch out Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Kataib Hezbollah, Ansar Allah, Asaib Ahl al Haq, Harakat Hezbollah al Nujaba, Zaynabiyoun Brigade, Fatemiyoun Division, Al Ashtar Brigades, Saraya al Mukhtar, and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Your time is up!
 

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What is so hard to grasp?

There was fallout when the US drone nuked General Soleimani but that was over escalating tensions with Iran. No one (well... not many in the West) were like... oh no... that poor General... this is horrible and morally bankrupt. :cry:

There was fallout with the US righteously drone striked a family of aid workers but that was over the fact they drone striked a bunch of innocent civilians including children.

If the Iran had Hezbollah say.... launch a cross border raid to kill and capture Israeli soldiers I'm sure Israel would be just as pissed about it as if the inverse happened to Iran. That's not the issue. There's a difference in scale between having a Palestinian militant hacking an Israeli child to death or stabbing an IDF soldier to death. And I'm sure the same is in play when the IDF blows up a school filled with children as opposed to militants.

It's not fucking rocket surgery to understand the difference.
You missed the point.Izrael 2.0 killed iranian scientists ,so Iran could kill izraeli scientists.That is all.Izrael started plaing dirty,so they have no moral right to codemn those who follow their footsteps.

Either we have one law for all,or everything is permitted.That is why i prefer following law.Firstly - Jesus will so,secondly - it is matter of time till anybody,including me,meet somebody stronger.And if i allowed myself to attack others,i have no even right to complain.Like Izrael 2.0 now.
 

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You missed the point.Izrael 2.0 killed iranian scientists ,so Iran could kill izraeli scientists.That is all.Izrael started plaing dirty,so they have no moral right to codemn those who follow their footsteps.
'Israel started playing dirty.' That's an interesting perspective on who is the provocateur between Israel and Iran.
 

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You missed the point.Izrael 2.0 killed iranian scientists ,so Iran could kill izraeli scientists.That is all.Izrael started plaing dirty,so they have no moral right to codemn those who follow their footsteps.
Its international conflict. Everyone plays dirty if they think they can get away with it.
Either we have one law for all,or everything is permitted.
Obviously, by all observation, we see this is not the case. There are multiple competing "laws" with limited enforcement. Islamists obviously have their own law and spit on others.
That is why i prefer following law.
Which law?

Firstly - Jesus will so,secondly - it is matter of time till anybody,including me,meet somebody stronger.And if i allowed myself to attack others,i have no even right to complain.Like Izrael 2.0 now.
The strong don't care if you allowed yourself to attack others. The strong care if attacking you is in their interest and if it will attract painful retaliation. No more, no less.
 

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Its international conflict. Everyone plays dirty if they think they can get away with it.

Obviously, by all observation, we see this is not the case. There are multiple competing "laws" with limited enforcement. Islamists obviously have their own law and spit on others.

Which law?


The strong don't care if you allowed yourself to attack others. The strong care if attacking you is in their interest and if it will attract painful retaliation. No more, no less.
1.Yes.So,Israel had no right to complain about Iran,when they are doing the same.
2.Every cyvilisation had its own law.I am taking about our cyvilisation law,made from greek philosophy,roman law and atholic morality.
3.see 2
4.Strong pagans,yes.But i would not have right to complain,when i get attacked,if i become pagan myself.

@LordsFire - i prefered shah to islamists,but Iran is ruled by islamists.Which was tortured and killed by iranian secret police trained by Izrael.So,in that case,Izrael started hostilities.
 

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1.Yes.So,Israel had no right to complain about Iran,when they are doing the same.
Everyone can complain and does, even ISIL and North Korea. Whether anyone cares about said complaining is purely a matter of politics.
2.Every cyvilisation had its own law.I am taking about our cyvilisation law,made from greek philosophy,roman law and atholic morality.
Any sane law has to be applied within a civilization, applying too much law in inter-civilizational conflicts just encourages the other side to play you through your own law, and if they do enough of that, creates a learn or die moment. Natural selection favors civilizations that choose to learn.
4.Strong pagans,yes.But i would not have right to complain,when i get attacked,if i become pagan myself.
See 1.
 

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Everyone can complain and does, even ISIL and North Korea. Whether anyone cares about said complaining is purely a matter of politics.

Any sane law has to be applied within a civilization, applying too much law in inter-civilizational conflicts just encourages the other side to play you through your own law, and if they do enough of that, creates a learn or die moment. Natural selection favors civilizations that choose to learn.

See 1.
1.Could complain,but lost right to do so.I have right to complain when somebody robb me only when i never advocated stealing from others.
2.Yes,every cyvilisation had its own rights - but i choose our western,bucouse only this cyvilisation had place for justice for everybody,not only stronger.
And becouse nobody is always stronger,it is best for everybody follow our cyvilisation.

2. @The Whispering Monk - basically Aristotle with roman law,both christianed.Which mean,that there is one morality for everybody,rulers had no their own laws,and you could not steal from others even if they do not belong to your tribe/nation.
 

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1.Could complain,but lost right to do so.I have right to complain when somebody robb me only when i never advocated stealing from others.
Wtf is even "right to complain"? Who grants or takes it away, by what standard, and by what power? You are trying very hard to extrapolate legal principles meant to work on the scale of a single polity's sovereignty and legal system onto the global state, where everyone is sovereign unto themselves and has their own legal system, or more than one if they want to.
2.Yes,every cyvilisation had its own rights - but i choose our western,bucouse only this cyvilisation had place for justice for everybody,not only stronger.
And becouse nobody is always stronger,it is best for everybody follow our cyvilisation.
Unfortunately everyone else doesn't share this preference. Other civilizations don't give a shit really. The weaker ones will demand your "justice for everybody" when it favors them until they become stronger, because that is your principle, while the stronger ones will do what they want, because that is their principle.

Global universalism with its rule based world order has failed, the lesson of what the western civilization got for trying is that gentlemanly agreements are nice, but they need to remain just that. Agreements, not unconditional and universal laws. When the other side doesn't follow an agreement, we shouldn't consider ourselves bound by it either, otherwise its just a self imposed handicap, which is not something a sane civilization does.
And if we create enough of these handicaps for ourselves, then one thing is certain, we will never again be faced with philosophizing about the question of whether justice should be for the strongest or for everybody, because certainly someone else will be the strongest, and as such, they will answer this question for themselves, without care about what the western civilization thinks of it.
 
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