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[Zachowon]

He won't.

 

[IndyFront]

He won't.

Iran tried to have him killed, you don't think Trump would jump at the opportunity to further isolate Iran?

 

[Zachowon]

Iran tried to have him killed, you don't think Trump would jump at the opportunity to further isolate Iran?

It wouldn't work, due to the fact Russia needs them for drones

 

[IndyFront]

It wouldn't work, due to the fact Russia needs them for drones

Russia could easily substitute Iran's drones with Israel's. Iran is a larger and more powerful country but Israel is more technologically advanced.

 

[Marduk]

Russia could easily substitute Iran's drones with Israel's. Iran is a larger and more powerful country but Israel is more technologically advanced.

>easily
I'm sure Israeli politicians would consider the talks this would lead to with US and EU politicians as anything but easy.

 

[IndyFront]

>easily
I'm sure Israeli politicians would consider the talks this would lead to with US and EU politicians as anything but easy.

1) The US and EU already hate Israel, aside from a few Western world leaders' words of support Israel doesn't have much support in the way of international law, the ICC and ICJ have both called for Netanyahu's arrest, and the EU is largely in support of this. Even Trump for all his words will probably rapidly lose patience with Israel if they continue the war in Gaza too long 2) Israel is totally fine with its drones being used by Russia against Ukraine, refer to my earlier posts recently. Israel was one of the few countries (literally aligning itself with Communist Cuba) AGAINST sanctions on Russia and refused to acknowledge Crimea was part of Ukraine on MULTIPLE occasions (again, refer to my earlier posts in this thread if you would please and thank you)

 

[Marduk]

1) The US and EU already hate Israel, aside from a few Western world leaders' words of support

Weapons and trade relations are worth more than a million words.

Israel doesn't have much support in the way of international law, the ICC and ICJ have both called for Netanyahu's arrest,

LMAO "international" entities of "sternly worded letter" fame.

and the EU is largely in support of this.

No one cares about the bureaucrat's virtue signalling, Israel's trade:

Israel Major Trade Partners – Countryaah.com

www.countryaah.com

Even Trump for all his words will probably rapidly lose patience with Israel if they continue the war in Gaza too long

LMAO. One word. Iran. Implying Trump gives a fuck for Gaza, are you perhaps confusing Trump with the Squad?

2) Israel is totally fine with its drones being used by Russia against Ukraine, refer to my earlier posts recently. Israel was one of the few countries (literally aligning itself with Communist Cuba) AGAINST sanctions on Russia and refused to acknowledge Crimea was part of Ukraine on MULTIPLE occasions (again, refer to my earlier posts in this thread if you would please and thank you)

Doesn't mean they are willing to bat against most of their allies for it.

 

[IndyFront]

Weapons and trade relations are worth more than a million words.

Yep, and the IDF's largest trade partners besides NATO/Western countries are:

Israel Defense Forces - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Israel is the second-largest foreign supplier of arms to the People's Republic of China, only after the Russian Federation. China has purchased a wide array of military hardware from Israel, including Unmanned aerial vehicles and communications satellites. China has become an extensive market for Israel's military industries and arms manufacturers, and trade with Israel has allowed it to obtain "dual-use" technology which the United States and European Union were reluctant to provide.[195] In 2010 Yair Golan, head of IDF Home Front Command visited China to strengthen military ties.[196] In 2012, IDF Chief of Staff Benny Gantz visited China for high-level talks with the Chinese defence establishment.[197]

Israel Defense Forces - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

On 19 October 1999, the Defense Minister of China, General Chi Haotian, after meeting with Syrian Defense Minister Mustafa Tlass in Damascus, Syria, to discuss expanding military ties between Syria and China, then flew directly to Israel and met with Ehud Barak, the then Prime Minister and Defense Minister of Israel where they discussed military relations. Among the military arrangements was a $1 billion Israeli–Russian sale of military aircraft to China, which were to be jointly produced by Russia and Israel.[189]

Russia has bought drones from Israel.[190][191][192][193][194]

Israel Defense Forces - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

India–Israel relations - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

India and Israel enjoy strong military and strategic ties.[163] Israeli authorities consider Indian citizens to be the most pro-Israel people in the world.[164][165][166][167][168] Apart from being Israel's second-largest economic partner in Asia,[169] India is also the largest customer of Israeli arms in the world.[170] In 2006, annual military sales between India and Israel stood at US$900 million.[171] Israeli defense firms had the largest exhibition at the 2009 Aero India show, during which Israel offered several state-of-the art weapons to India.[172]

The first major military deal between the two countries was the sale of Israeli Phalcon airborne warning and control system (AWACS) radars to the Indian Air Force in 2004.[173][174] In March 2009, India and Israel signed a US$1.4 billion deal under which Israel would sell India an advanced air-defense system.[175] India and Israel have also embarked on extensive space cooperation. In 2008, India's ISRO launched Israel's most technologically advanced spy satellite TecSAR.[176] In 2009, India reportedly developed a high-tech spy satellite RISAT-2 with significant assistance from Israel.[177] The satellite was successfully launched by India in April 2009.[178]

According to a Los Angeles Times news story, the 2008 Mumbai attacks were an attack on the growing India-Israel partnership. It quotes retired Indian Vice Admiral Premvir S. Das thus "Their aim was to... tell the Indians clearly that your growing linkage with Israel is not what you should be doing..."[179] In the past, India and Israel have held numerous joint anti-terror training exercises[180]

And there is, of course, the fact that the United States, Israel's closest ally, will be far less pro-NATO and pro-EU under Trump.

LMAO "international" entities of "sternly worded letter" fame.

No less pathetic than Israel's "allies" sternly worded letters in support of Israel, lol.

No one cares about the bureaucrat's virtue signalling, Israel's trade:

Israel Major Trade Partners – Countryaah.com

www.countryaah.com

You think you have a point here but you actually don't. So is Israel this unstoppable fortress of military prowess, or entirely dependent on the U.S.?

LMAO. One word. Iran. Implying Trump gives a fuck for Gaza, are you perhaps confusing Trump with the Squad?

I don't even know what this is supposed to mean to be honest.

Doesn't mean they are willing to bat against most of their allies for it.

Again, review the earlier posts of mine in the thread, it explains everything.

 

[Marduk]

Yep, and the IDF's largest trade partners besides NATO/Western countries are:

Israel Defense Forces - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Israel Defense Forces - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Israel Defense Forces - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

India–Israel relations - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

>Unmanned aerial vehicles and communications satellites
Yeah, such weapons...
>second foreign military supplier to China
That's like being a second oil supplier to Saudi Arabia. China doesn't buy much foreign military stuff.

And there is, of course, the fact that the United States, Israel's closest ally, will be far less pro-NATO and pro-EU under Trump.

I'll believe it when i see it. Trump was a president already and those went nowhere.

No less pathetic than Israel's "allies" sternly worded letters in support of Israel, lol.

See above table.

You think you have a point here but you actually don't. So is Israel this unstoppable fortress of military prowess, or entirely dependent on the U.S.?

False binaries belong in a 40k AdMech campaign not in arguments to me. If you offer one to me, that means you think i'm an idiot, in which case fuck you, or you are the idiot, in which case ha-ha.

I don't even know what this is supposed to mean to be honest.

See above.

Again, review the earlier posts of mine in the thread, it explains everything.

Everything about you being divorced from reality that is.

 

[ATP]

Russia isn't sanctioning them

Only support Izrael.

Iran and Russia’s Fragile Partnership

How America can divide two of its main adversaries.

www.foreignaffairs.com

Man if Trump can get Israel and Russia to team up against Iran he may in fact become one of my favorite foreign policy leaders of the U.S.

Why? so they could help turks genocide what remained of armenian people?
Iran was never USA enemy,only Turkey,Saudi and Russia.Till they made them their enemy by supporting Iraq in their war with Iran.

Trump would be genius,if he made honest peace there...not possible becouse protestant idiots voting for him who really belive that Jesus need agreement from Izrael to come here second time....

 

[IndyFront]

>Unmanned aerial vehicles and communications satellites
Yeah, such weapons...
>second foreign military supplier to China
That's like being a second oil supplier to Saudi Arabia. China doesn't buy much foreign military stuff.

More of a mark in favor of Israel's technological advancement than a mark against China, honestly.

I'll believe it when i see it. Trump was a president already and those went nowhere.

Trump in his first term was surrounded by naysayers and neocons, Trump is far more unshackled this time around.

See above table.

Likewise.

False binaries belong in a 40k AdMech campaign not in arguments to me. If you offer one to me, that means you think i'm an idiot, in which case fuck you, or you are the idiot, in which case ha-ha.

It's a very simple question, is Israel on the verge of collapse only existing at the behest of Western Powers, or is it a power on it's own right. In which case, this would mean that Iran is also and thus cannot be underestimated by Russia, by Israel, by the West or anyone else.

See above.

Likewise.

Everything about you being divorced from reality that is.

When the argument is lost, slander becomes the tool of the vanquished.

 

[Marduk]

Only support Izrael.

Why? so they could help turks genocide what remained of armenian people?
Iran was never USA enemy,only Turkey,Saudi and Russia.Till they made them their enemy by supporting Iraq in their war with Iran.

Iran fucking took US embassy staff hostage before the whole war even started you walking void of historical knowledge.

 

[Marduk]

More of a mark in favor of Israel's technological advancement than a mark against China, honestly.

Yes, China appropriates technology to steal, be it Russian, EU, US or Israeli, they will gladly take samples of all.
China has a truly equal opportunity technology theft policy.

Trump in his first term was surrounded by naysayers and neocons, Trump is far more unshackled this time around.

Whatever helps you have dreams you like at night. But in reality Trump is getting a lot of Iran hawks into his admin again.

It's a very simple question, is Israel on the verge of collapse only existing at the behest of Western Powers, or is it a power on it's own right. In which case, this would mean that Iran is also and thus cannot be underestimated by Russia, by Israel, by the West or anyone else.

It's not a question, it is a false binary. Both of the options you propose are too simplistic to be right.'
There are countless ways to describe Israel's status other than those 2 options, and some of those other ways are more accurate to reality.
You are doing an equivalent of "Either a country is a military superpower like USA, or a military non-entity like Iceland. Pick which one Italy is. No, you can't use other options".
Again, are you implying i'm stupid enough to fall for it, or are you stupid enough to not understand it?

When the argument is lost, slander becomes the tool of the vanquished.

I don't know whose tool are you but you definitely are one.

 

[IndyFront]

Yes, China appropriates technology to steal, be it Russian, EU, US or Israeli, they will gladly take samples of all.
China has a truly equal opportunity technology theft policy.

Mmm... yes, China does do that, but my main point was that Sino-Israeli relations are deeper than many people realize

https://www.nytimes.com/1985/07/22/world/israel-and-china-quietly-form-trade-bonds.html?auth=login-google1tap&login=google1tap

Asia Times - Asia's most trusted news source for the Middle East

Sino-Israeli Economic Ties Blossoming

With its impressive R&D, Israel is emerging as a small but pivotal partner for China.

thediplomat.com

Israel, China in Talks to Become Major Econ Allies

Economics Minister Deri discusses Free Trade Agreement with Chinese Ambassador, as Israel indicates it's focus is shifting to the East.

www.israelnationalnews.com

China's Deepening Interest in Israel - The Tower

As its economic power rises and its strategic foundations have shifted underfoot, the Jewish state has developed an increasingly fruitful relationship with the most populous country on earth. ARYEH TEPPER takes us there.

www.thetower.org

Israel Selling China Military Technology, C.I.A. Chief Asserts (Published 1993)

www.nytimes.com

Israel-China Relations And The Phalcon Controversy - Middle East Policy Council

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mepc.org

Israel, China and the Art of the Weapons Deal

More than two decades after Jerusalem and Beijing established diplomatic ties, a new book reveals how it all started.

www.newsweek.com

While reports surfaced last week about secret exchanges between Israel and the Soviet Union, a far more intense and lucrative relationship has been quietly developing between Israel and China, according to Israeli officials.

The Chinese in the last seven months have shown an increasing appetite for Israeli skills in agriculture, solar energy, manufacturing, advanced technology, robotics, construction, road building and arms manufacturing, say Israeli officials familiar with the trade. Some deals have already been struck and many others are pending at one stage or another, according to recent Israeli press accounts.

Whatever helps you have dreams you like at night. But in reality Trump is getting a lot of Iran hawks into his admin again.

...This literally just supports my belief that Trump will likely try to further isolated Iran. Why would he appoint Iran hawks if he didn't want them to contain Iran by any means necessary? Think!

It's not a question, it is a false binary. Both of the options you propose are too simplistic to be right.'
There are countless ways to describe Israel's status other than those 2 options, and some of those other ways are more accurate to reality.
You are doing an equivalent of "Either a country is a military superpower like USA, or a military non-entity like Iceland. Pick which one Italy is. No, you can't use other options".
Again, are you implying i'm stupid enough to fall for it, or are you stupid enough to not understand it?

Weren't you one of the ones saying the U.S. has no choice but to support Israel because Israel has no other options? That seems to be the main thrust of your argument if I'm not mistaken (which is false)

I don't know whose tool are you but you definitely are one.

If I'm a tool then you're a tool of the neolib U.S. State Department establishment since you, Zachowon, Bacle and Husky needlessly regurgitate their talking points ad infinitum.

 

[Husky_Khan]

If I'm a tool then you're a tool of the neolib U.S. State Department establishment since you, Zachowon, Bacle and Husky needlessly regurgitate their talking points ad infinitum.

lmao... Triggered in spite of anything to be triggered by.

 

[ATP]

Iran fucking took US embassy staff hostage before the whole war even started you walking void of historical knowledge.

After they supported shah secret police.If Poland was liberated in 1956,we would take soviet embassy,too.

 

[Marduk]

After they supported shah secret police.If Poland was liberated in 1956,we would take soviet embassy,too.

But Iran was nor liberated. It was taken by people even worse than Shah by far. That's closer to Soviet style"liberation" in 1945. Iran's secret police mostly oppressed... communists and islamists (after all that's who rebelled and hated them so much), so fuck them.

 

[ATP]

But Iran was nor liberated. It was taken by people even worse than Shah by far. That's closer to Soviet style"liberation" in 1945. Iran's secret police mostly oppressed... communists and islamists (after all that's who rebelled and hated them so much), so fuck them.

And people during revolution supported those islamists.They do not need soviet tanks to win.
If revolution remove ruler without foreign army,it mean,that such revolution is supported by people.

 

[IndyFront]

Iran Shouldn’t Expect Russia to Come Riding to Its Rescue

While the prospect of a full-scale war between Iran and Israel is a worry for the Kremlin, it could also have a significant financial upside for Russia.

carnegieendowment.org

The escalating conflict between Israel and Iran is beginning to impact Russian interests in the Middle East, as well as threaten a whole range of Russian-Iranian projects. Nevertheless, Moscow prefers to adapt to the evolving situation rather than to get directly involved. Russia cannot—and will not—save Iran in its confrontation with Israel and the United States.

All this has fueled concerns that Israel could go on to attack Russian targets, triggering a whole new cycle of escalation. But the chances of a Russia-Israel war are slim. Of course, there is the risk of a stray missile, but neither side wants to sever ties, and that means the fallout from any mistake would be contained.

A similar incident to the one near Khmeimim Air Base took place in 2018 when Syrian air defenses accidentally shot down a Russian transport plane with fifteen soldiers on board (it was being used as aerial cover by an Israeli pilot after an attack). Despite threatening rhetoric from Moscow, the issue was resolved in a phone call between Russian President Vladimir Putin and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

There is no suggestion that Russia is considering any sort of direct military intervention in the ongoing fighting in the Middle East. Moscow is so deeply committed in Ukraine that it has no time for another war. Nor has it ever seemed likely to fight to further Iran's interests.

Yeah, with Trump appointing Iran hawks and now this it's starting to look more and more likely Iran is fucked.

 

[Marduk]

And people during revolution supported those islamists.They do not need soviet tanks to win.
If revolution remove ruler without foreign army,it mean,that such revolution is supported by people.

A lot of the people were islamists or communists, true. And it's a good thing the Shah oppressed those.