Religion and theology thread

[Rocinante]

Pope Francis has died on Easter Monday aged 88

Pope Francis has died on Easter Monday aged 88 - Vatican News

Pope Francis died on Easter Monday, April 21, 2025, at the age of 88 at his residence in the Vatican's Casa Santa Marta.

www.vaticannews.va

Pope Francis Had Died

https://www.reuters.com/world/pope-francis-has-died-vatican-says-video-statement-2025-04-21/ 84 years old I think? Idk about you, but my social media is full of idiots blaming JD Vance since they just met yesterday.

the-sietch.com

I figured major news like this may warrant it's own thread.

But I've never been a fan of mega threads.

 

[Scottty]

Vox Day has an opinion: Fake Pope Dies - Vox Popoli

Fake Pope Francis went to what one can only presume was his infernal reward this morning, thereby presenting the genuine Christians in the Catholic Church another chance to clean their house of the post-Vatican II diableristes. I'm not optimistic in this regard; neither am I judgmental as the Southern Baptists and most of the Protestant denominations are just as converged and very nearly as bad, if not worse.

Perhaps only now can we truly understand the wisdom of Jesus Christ declaring that he is wherever two or three are gathered together in his name. Because it is now obvious that there is no human organization on this Earth that is immune to corruption and convergence.

I understand all the various theological arguments in defense of this particular organization or that particular organization as the One True Church. But regardless of how convincing, or unconvincing I might find them, I just haven't seen any sign that any of the various Christian organizations have successfully policed themselves to remain uncompromised and true to its own foundational principles, let alone the basic principles set down by Jesus Christ.

 

[mrttao]

Vox Day has an opinion: Fake Pope Dies - Vox Popoli

Ha. very well put.
Lets hope the catholics don't pick a heretic again.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Ha. very well put.
Lets hope the catholics don't pick a heretic again.

I'm not betting on the Catholic Church actually moving back towards Christian beliefs. Ever since the recently deceased Pope said, "You don't have to got through Jesus to get to heaven."

I'm prayerfull that it happens, but not hopeful.

 

[Abhorsen]

Who will be the next Pope?

Polymarket | This market will resolve to the name of the next person announced as the bishop of Rome after Pope Francis. If no new pope is announced by Dece...

polymarket.com

If people are interested, the two favorites are both Francis supporters. One (Luis) is the leader of the progressives. No one else is at or above 10%

 

[ATP]

I'm not betting on the Catholic Church actually moving back towards Christian beliefs. Ever since the recently deceased Pope said, "You don't have to got through Jesus to get to heaven."

I'm prayerfull that it happens, but not hopeful.

I would pray,too.I hope for normal pope.

 

[mrttao]

Who will be the next Pope?

Polymarket | This market will resolve to the name of the next person announced as the bishop of Rome after Pope Francis. If no new pope is announced by Dece...

polymarket.com

If people are interested, the two favorites are both Francis supporters. One (Luis) is the leader of the progressives. No one else is at or above 10%

Correct me if wrong.
but don't catholics have a vote for the higher ranks in the church on who is the next pope?
And francis had time to promote heretics like him into the positions that have a vote.

 

[stephen the barbarian]

Correct me if wrong.
but don't catholics have a vote for the higher ranks in the church on who is the next pope?
And francis had time to promote heretics like him into the positions that have a vote.

the cardinals* go into a conclave and vote for the pope, usually amongst themselves.

*some exceptions apply.

 

[mrttao]

the cardinals* go into a conclave and vote for the pope, usually amongst themselves.

*some exceptions apply.

So, exactly what I said then?
Cardinals being a high ranking position, yes?
And the pope has enormous influence on who gets promoted to Cardinal?

edit: yea, just a quick check on wokepedia

A cardinal (Latin: Sanctae Romanae Ecclesiae cardinalis, lit. 'cardinal of the Holy Roman Church') is a senior member of the clergy of the Catholic Church. As titular members of the clergy of the Diocese of Rome, they serve as advisors to the pope, who is the bishop of Rome. Cardinals are chosen and formally created by the pope, and typically hold the title for life. Collectively, they constitute the College of Cardinals.

so the (still alive) people who appointed pope francis + people appointed by pope francis are the ones voting for francis' successor.

I then searched for how many cardinals are there in 2025 (252) and how many cardinals were appointed by francis (163).
Meaning 64.7% of the cardinals voting for francis' successor were appointed by francis.

the 1/3rd of the cardinals not appointed by francis, are the ones who voted francis into power in the first place.

 

[nemo1986]

So, exactly what I said then?
Cardinals being a high ranking position, yes?
And the pope has enormous influence on who gets promoted to Cardinal?

edit: yea, just a quick check on wokepedia

so the (still alive) people who appointed pope francis + people appointed by pope francis are the ones voting for francis' successor.

I then searched for how many cardinals are there in 2025 (252) and how many cardinals were appointed by francis (163).
Meaning 64.7% of the cardinals voting for francis' successor were appointed by francis.

the 1/3rd of the cardinals not appointed by francis, are the ones who voted francis into power in the first place.

Not all of them can vote. It is limited to Cardinals who are under 80 at the time of the pope's death.

Who will be the next Pope?

Polymarket | This market will resolve to the name of the next person announced as the bishop of Rome after Pope Francis. If no new pope is announced by Dece...

polymarket.com

If people are interested, the two favorites are both Francis supporters. One (Luis) is the leader of the progressives. No one else is at or above 10%

It could be someone else. Popes have been selected that were not on anyone's radar.

 

[ATP]

Interesting prrof,that Jesus really resurrected - Watergate.
It was said by Charles Colson,ex- advisor of Nixon,who said that people lying about Watergate could not keep to their lies more then 3 weeks,when Apostles not only keep talking about Jesus when jews beat them,but all except ones were tortured to death and keep talking about Jesus.People simply do not die for their own lie.

And interesting polish Saint - Jozafat Kuncewicz.Thanks to him many orthodox become catholics/he was bishop who really teach and helped people/ ,and get murdered in 1623.tsar hide body in 1873,austrains discovered in 1916 and send to Rome.

 

[King Arts]

Interesting prrof,that Jesus really resurrected - Watergate.
It was said by Charles Colson,ex- advisor of Nixon,who said that people lying about Watergate could not keep to their lies more then 3 weeks,when Apostles not only keep talking about Jesus when jews beat them,but all except ones were tortured to death and keep talking about Jesus.People simply do not die for their own lie.

And interesting polish Saint - Jozafat Kuncewicz.Thanks to him many orthodox become catholics/he was bishop who really teach and helped people/ ,and get murdered in 1623.tsar hide body in 1873,austrains discovered in 1916 and send to Rome.

Didn't he start shit by persecuting the orthodox first?


Anyway, this video just shows that Christian zionists are the dumbest of all people.

 

[ATP]

Didn't he start shit by persecuting the orthodox first?

Nope,he converted orthodox becouse orthodox priests were lazy,corrupted,and do not cared about their people.But,when he converted those who do not get help from them,they murdered him.

Anyway, this video just shows that Christian zionists are the dumbest of all people.

Agree.

 

[ATP]

I just discovered,that i was wrong about council of Trident.I thought,that it was return to medieval values,but i was wrong - it was turning Church into modern institution with cleat laws and clear Hiearchy with pope getting more power like absolute Kings later.
Common or regional laws are replaced by central regulations.

Interesting thing about abortion - Peter Kreeft discovered,that it is parody of Catholic Mass - they tell "this is my body" , just like catholic priests during Mass in the name of Jesus.
And o satan want to kill or maim children,becouse it is worst thing we could do against God.

 

[ATP]

I accidentallt discovered,that Saints Porphyrius,Philemon,Gelasinus ,Ardalio,Genesius and Prphyrius II were actors in Dioclesian times,and become martyrs when they said from stage that they are chrystians.

In our times actors do not die becouse of it,only lost their jobs - but how many say that now? few,at least in Poland.

 

[King Krávoka]

What does Catholic God think when you are a time traveller with multiple wives in different historical eras, whose lifetimes do not overlap, making them all dead relative to each other, but not to you?

 

[mrttao]

What does Catholic God think when you are a time traveller with multiple wives in different historical eras, whose lifetimes do not overlap, making them all dead relative to each other, but not to you?

Why do you think he banned time travel?

 

[King Arts]

What does Catholic God think when you are a time traveller with multiple wives in different historical eras, whose lifetimes do not overlap, making them all dead relative to each other, but not to you?

Why do you think he banned time travel?

Yeah what you are saying is kinda dumb. Though you could have fun thoughts and what ifs like.
If you go to BC times do you have to keep the Mosaic law and other things.

 

[King Krávoka]

If you go to BC times do you have to keep the Mosaic law and other things.

Will you be allowed to study and use magic if you go before the time of Moses?

 

[Vyor]

Will you be allowed to study and use magic if you go before the time of Moses?

Magic, by itself, is technically not banned.

The word "witch" is more accurately translated to "evil magic user" or "poisoner". What is banned is to use demons and similar forces for power and contacting the dead (with your own power or using rituals).