Religion and theology thread

mrttao

mrttao

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I noticed we have a lot of religion discussions, yet there is no religion thread.
I thought I would make one.

Let's start off with... Islam.

why was muhamad always covered in semen according to the Quran?
 
The Koran is so ambiguous* that probably the aforementioned semen could just as well be sweat, water, Divine Dew or whatever.

BTW - the video does not strike me as particularly scholarly ...

*written down from memories, language drift over c.1500 years, poetic, abjad (i.e. you have to guess the vowels), use of words not known from other sources, etc.
 
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To be frank, I think that Muhammad was just an earlier version of Joseph Smith. (The Founder of Mormonism) Someone who wanted to justify doing whatever he wanted and so created his own thing.
 
Buba said:
The Koran is so ambiguous* that probably the aforementioned semen could just as well be sweat, water, Divine Dew or whatever.

BTW - the video does not strike me as particularly scholarly ...

*written down from memories, language drift over c.1500 years, poetic, abjad (i.e. you have to guess the vowels), use of words not known from other sources, etc.
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Indeed.According to what i read,Koran originally was heretic christian book,and become new religion later.ERE,after loosing Egypt and Palestine to them,still considered them as heretics.
And 72 virgins ? in another article i read,that it was grapes oryginally.

MarkWarrior said:
To be frank, I think that Muhammad was just an earlier version of Joseph Smith. (The Founder of Mormonism) Someone who wanted to justify doing whatever he wanted and so created his own thing.
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Indeed.Depending on what he need in given moment,his teaching contradict each other.

Something else then Machomet - in 2009 scientist discovered writing on Turin shroud ,which is probably Jesus death certificate made by some low- level clerk.
Here:
 
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ATP said:
And 72 virgins ? in another article i read,that it was grapes oryginally.
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That's the poetic ambiguity. Maybe the text says "in the Afterlife the Meritious will get to pop 72 grapes" which the Horny Hopeful Faithfull read as "will get to bonk like mad".
 
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MarkWarrior said:
To be frank, I think that Muhammad was just an earlier version of Joseph Smith. (The Founder of Mormonism) Someone who wanted to justify doing whatever he wanted and so created his own thing.
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Pretty much everyone except Muslims think that. I mean thinking it objectively Muhammad was either a prophet or he was a liar who made things up to suit his interests. And the evidence points to liar, because a lot of what he did was to his benefit. It really seems like every time he gets a problem he claims god sent him a vision that fixed it for him.


Of course Islam is still more likely to be true than Mormons. But that’s because Mormons are shamelessly betraying their own supposed beliefs. At least Islam while it gave every benefit to Muhammad was not changed based on social whim.

Though Muhammad himself did do that once with the satanic verses.
 
King Arts said:
Pretty much everyone except Muslims think that. I mean thinking it objectively Muhammad was either a prophet or he was a liar who made things up to suit his interests. And the evidence points to liar, because a lot of what he did was to his benefit. It really seems like every time he gets a problem he claims god sent him a vision that fixed it for him.


Of course Islam is still more likely to be true than Mormons. But that’s because Mormons are shamelessly betraying their own supposed beliefs. At least Islam while it gave every benefit to Muhammad was not changed based on social whim.

Though Muhammad himself did do that once with the satanic verses.
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Mormonism is essentially the largest cult in the world. When you deep dive into it, it gets very culty. Secret handshakes to get into specific places, and rituals only done by elders. And that's before you get into the rampant Pedophilia and other issues within it.
 
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King Arts said:
I mean thinking it objectively Muhammad was either a prophet or he was a liar who made things up to suit his interests
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he basically confessed to being a false prophet on his deathbed.
tl;dr- he died when a jewish woman poisoned his dinner as a test of his claims, and he stated that God "cut his aorta"- the traditional method that God uses to kill false prophets.
 
I took a religious values test and this is my result lmaoooo
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Religious Values Test

bannnedb.github.io bannnedb.github.io
EDIT: I'm actually probably more neutral/centrist than this result is implying tbh
 
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Amusing poll. I ended up as "secularist" - however we understand it.
Imma Satan smiting anti-Catholic Nazi :D
 
MarkWarrior said:
Mormonism is essentially the largest cult in the world. When you deep dive into it, it gets very culty. Secret handshakes to get into specific places, and rituals only done by elders. And that's before you get into the rampant Pedophilia and other issues within it.
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Meh rituals don't make you a cult.

IndyFront said:
I took a religious values test and this is my result lmaoooo
d405faa3-104a-4d0d-a468-2685fa20fc0e.png

Religious Values Test

bannnedb.github.io bannnedb.github.io
EDIT: I'm actually probably more neutral/centrist than this result is implying tbh
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I went through the test but I think it's messed up. Some of it was ok but the philosemite vs antisemite is wacky. The questions asked were "Do you think Jews are gods chosen" "Do you think that the talmud is as holy as the Torah/old testament" "Do you think Jews should leave their false religion?"

Obviously if you are any religion besides Judaism your answer to those questions will be against the Jewish position.

Religious Values Results

bannnedb.github.io bannnedb.github.io
 
mrttao said:
what is that?
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His result from the above quiz.
Buba said:
Not that I'm bothered to check ATM, but isn't that another term for non-denominational Christian?
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Not that I've ever heard before.

Of note, that's the result the quiz spits out if you're neutral to Catholic and Orthodox while testing high on the "Christian" religious category and low on all the other religions. Basically, they lumped all Protestants into that category as a catch all without regards for any of the major distinctions within Protestantism nor concerning how traditionally orthodox Christian their beliefs are.
 
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