Protecting And Serving: Cop (mis)behavior and consequences general discussion

[Abhorsen]

Disturbing bodycam footage shows cops arresting legally blind man

Bodycam footage showed two Florida officers arresting James Hodges, 61, after he refused to provide his ID after he was stopped on the sidewalk.

www.dailymail.co.uk

At least the cops were honest:

'What's the problem, are you a tyrant?' he said.

'Yeah, I am, actually,' Gohde said. 'What's your name and date of birth?'

 

[bintananth]

Disturbing bodycam footage shows cops arresting legally blind man

Bodycam footage showed two Florida officers arresting James Hodges, 61, after he refused to provide his ID after he was stopped on the sidewalk.

www.dailymail.co.uk

At least the cops were honest:

"Papers, please" should not be a thing in the US.

Those cops should have done nothing more than give him a verbal warning along the lines of "If see you jaywalking again, I will have to give you a citation" and ask for his name/ID so they can call it in and check for outstanding arrest warrants.

That's exactly what happened the last time I got caught jaywalking. I was free to go when the reply the officer got over the radio was "no warrants".

 

[Yinko]

That's exactly what happened the last time I got caught jaywalking. I was free to go when the reply the officer got over the radio was "no warrants".

What exactly is jaywalking? Is it crossing the street not at a light, or crossing at a crosswalk without the light in your favor? Because I do both all the time and the last time I even heard of anyone getting in trouble for it it was as a rumor in elementary school.

 

[bintananth]

What exactly is jaywalking? Is it crossing the street not at a light, or crossing at a crosswalk without the light in your favor? Because I do both all the time and the last time I even heard of anyone getting in trouble for it it was as a rumor in elementary school.

It's both. A cop saying "please don't do that" to jaywalking is basically telling you to be more careful when you cross the street because automobiles do not stop on a dime and you are squishy.

 

[Shermpotter]

Here in lovely Rockville, Indiana we do not cite for jay-walking. Usually, our officers don't even say anything to anyone unless it becomes safety related. Nor do we routinely stop people for no reason. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

 

[Yinko]

Here in lovely Rockville, Indiana we do not cite for jay-walking. Usually, our officers don't even say anything to anyone unless it becomes safety related. Nor do we routinely stop people for no reason. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

I've only been stopped by the cops twice. Both while on foot, at night, both while there were reports of burglaries in the area. It probably helps that, since Covid, the cops have had their hands tied, unable to arrest people for drug use or shop lifting, or anything like that. It might, technically be different now, but it's hard to tell as they got a bit lazy over the past few years.

 

[bintananth]

Here in lovely Rockville, Indiana we do not cite for jay-walking. Usually, our officers don't even say anything to anyone unless it becomes safety related. Nor do we routinely stop people for no reason. Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

Rockville, IN is also a small rural town that's larger than The Principality of Monaco in terms of land area.

 

[Shermpotter]

Rockville, IN is also a small rural town that's larger than The Principality of Monaco in terms of land area.

That much like Monaco, relies on tourism. But while we are rural, we do have quite a bit of traffic.

 

[bintananth]

That much like Monaco, relies on tourism. But while we are rural, we do have quite a bit of traffic.

Unlike Monaco, Rockville does not allow BS like F1 cars on city streets unless they're street legal without modifications.

My brother-in-law's '08 Koenigsegg CCX is somehow street legal and emissions compliant. An F1 car is not and also slower.

 

[Bacle]

A thread about LAPD connections to, and corruption in league with, Scientology in the LA area.

 

[Captain X]

I'm honestly not surprised. It's also laughable how many people are suggesting she go to the FBI with this.

 

[Abhorsen]

 

[colorles]

Since when is being nine years old considered a "free pass" from consequences? Young girls are moody as fuck and often pull the "depressed and suicidal" card whenever faced with any adversity or consequences for their actions. From what that video is showing, the girl was throwing a fit and, since she likely never faced any real, direct consequences in her life - most certainly not in the school system - that she could resist against police and not expect anything to happen to her in return.

Better she learns sooner than later. As the Lord says : "spare the rod, spoil the child"

 

[DarthOne]

Since when is being nine years old considered a "free pass" from consequences? Young girls are moody as fuck and often pull the "depressed and suicidal" card whenever faced with any adversity or consequences for their actions. From what that video is showing, the girl was throwing a fit and, since she likely never faced any real, direct consequences in her life - most certainly not in the school system - that she could resist against police and not expect anything to happen to her in return.

Better she learns sooner than later. As the Lord says : "spare the rod, spoil the child"

…are you for real? And even if all that was the case, pepper-spray is serious overkill. She’s nine, it shouldn’t be that difficult to man-handle her into the back seat!

 

[LordsFire]

Since when is being nine years old considered a "free pass" from consequences? Young girls are moody as fuck and often pull the "depressed and suicidal" card whenever faced with any adversity or consequences for their actions. From what that video is showing, the girl was throwing a fit and, since she likely never faced any real, direct consequences in her life - most certainly not in the school system - that she could resist against police and not expect anything to happen to her in return.

Better she learns sooner than later. As the Lord says : "spare the rod, spoil the child"

She was clearly throwing a wild tantrum; that doesn't justify pepper spray.

If you have a 9-year-old girl in cuffs, you should have no difficulty manhandling her into whatever it is you are legally permitted/obligated to do with her.

If her temper tantrum becomes so obnoxious that you really, really want her to shut up, use a simple gag to make her be quiet. I'd say even that is a bit much, maybe not even legal, but pepper spray on a cuffed 9-year-old is definitely going too far.

 

[colorles]

…are you for real? And even if all that was the case, pepper-spray is serious overkill. She’s nine, it shouldn’t be that difficult to man-handle her into the back seat!

The courts are more likely to back police in pepper spraying this girl, than if they were to "man-handle" her and, perhaps, she more severely hurts that already "bad arm" or hers

Bottom line: don't resist arrest if you value your well being. Of course: we all know there are legitimately corrupt and dangerous law enforcement personnel - not just talking about America, but, especially, all around the world. The way I look at it, almost all interactions with police, you can protect yourself by being calm, transparent in your actions, and simply being compliant. In the case you come across an officer that actually wants you dead, you most likely will never see it coming

 

[colorles]

She was clearly throwing a wild tantrum; that doesn't justify pepper spray.

If you have a 9-year-old girl in cuffs, you should have no difficulty manhandling her into whatever it is you are legally permitted/obligated to do with her.

If her temper tantrum becomes so obnoxious that you really, really want her to shut up, use a simple gag to make her be quiet. I'd say even that is a bit much, maybe not even legal, but pepper spray on a cuffed 9-year-old is definitely going too far.

*police gag the girl*. Suddenly she "can't breath". Young black girl no less

Come on now. Pepper spray was both the safest option for the girl, and for the legal protection of the officers in that situation. Maybe the girl will think twice next time

 

[Abhorsen]

The courts are more likely to back police in pepper spraying this girl, than if they were to "man-handle" her and, perhaps, she more severely hurts that already "bad arm" or hers

Then fuck the courts. Seriously, legal != morality. That you rationalize this tells us all how much we should value your opinion.

And in related news, never call the cops to deal with your children.

 

[colorles]

Then fuck the courts. Seriously, legal != morality. That you rationalize this tells us all how much we should value your opinion.

And in related news, never call the cops to deal with your children.

You really think people living their day to day lives, give a fuck about "morality"? People are just trying to survive, trying to get ahead, and trying to not lose. You seem like an idealist. Life is as simple as what you can get away with without consequences. Take without consequences, take more. That is the limit of human "morality" on a practical, day to day level

 

[Abhorsen]

You really think people living their day to day lives, give a fuck about "morality"? People are just trying to survive, trying to get ahead, and trying to not lose. You seem like an idealist. Life is as simple as what you can get away with without consequences. Take without consequences, take more. That is the limit of human "morality" on a practical, day to day level

This is a complete nonsequitor. You clearly care about some sort of standard of behavior given your statements here:

Since when is being nine years old considered a "free pass" from consequences? Young girls are moody as fuck and often pull the "depressed and suicidal" card whenever faced with any adversity or consequences for their actions. From what that video is showing, the girl was throwing a fit and, since she likely never faced any real, direct consequences in her life - most certainly not in the school system - that she could resist against police and not expect anything to happen to her in return.

Better she learns sooner than later. As the Lord says : "spare the rod, spoil the child"

Morality is what the standard of behavior should be, legality is the standard of behavior the government (claims to) attempts to impose by force.

Anyway, you standard of behavior you seem to profess is completely contrary to the average American's standard, and even from any prominent American subculture's standard.

Or in other words, you are coming across as the scum of the earth or dumber than rocks.