Breaking News Poland CAN Into Nuclear Power, Thanks to Trump

[CarlManvers2019]

Would I be wrong to expect attempts at sabatoge? I mean if Poland’s use of nuclear power is a danger

Then why not make the Polish afraid of Nuclear Power with a single “accident” followed up with lots of smug “I told you so”

 

[Husky_Khan]

Would I be wrong to expect attempts at sabatoge? I mean if Poland’s use of nuclear power is a danger

Then why not make the Polish afraid of Nuclear Power with a single “accident” followed up with lots of smug “I told you so”

A 'responsible' state sponsoring nuclear terrorism for very nebulous reasons sounds like one of the most profoundly stupid things a nation could ever entertain contemplating. It's so stupid I'm not even sure where to start laying out how stupid it is due to the massive amounts of stupidity involved. Especially if the goal is to keep Poland from the chimerical horror of simply adopting civilian use of nuclear power generation.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

A 'responsible' state sponsoring nuclear terrorism for very nebulous reasons sounds like one of the most profoundly stupid things a nation could ever entertain contemplating. It's so stupid I'm not even sure where to start laying out how stupid it is due to the massive amounts of stupidity involved. Especially if the goal is to keep Poland from the chimerical horror of simply adopting civilian use of nuclear power generation.

It's not just Poland, but anybody else willing/able to follow a similar example

It's an affront to their power, sure it sounds stupid as hell, well it is, but you can't let them get away

 

[PsihoKekec]

And if it helps bootstrap a nuclear armed Poland

It doesn't. This is a mere powerplant, they will need purchase fuel for it from USA. To make a nuke you need source of fissionable materials, enrich it way beyond what you get in powerplant fuel (not easy), build nuke detonator (tricky), assemble everything into payload that will go critical at command (tricky) and that's for normal aircraft carried bomb. Missile warheads are more complex.

 

[King Krávoka]

yOU'rE a HiPPy reTard FOr not LiKing NUClear poWer
Don't care about your jeers, it's all an invitation to disaster.

 

[Zachowon]

Good. High-quality engineering will spread into the curriculum, Poland will get a shit ton of quality power for cheap provided they have a good deal on the rods but that's pocket change at the end of it. And of course, old stuff can be removed and pave the way for new developments and it can be the biggest F U to the Soviet incompetence at Cherny the Poles can get.


Hm. Depending on how it progresses this might be good or bad. Hopefully, they won't be there long as Pax Americana will only stretch so far.


That'll be helpful. Cheaper goods for the less wealthy is always good.

US troops are pulling out of Germany, as one of the bases has been dropped in numbers of US personel, while we are building a new base in Poland, and want to get Closer to Russia, which is honestly the case.

 

[Tryglaw]

It doesn't. This is a mere powerplant, they will need purchase fuel for it from USA. To make a nuke you need source of fissionable materials, enrich it way beyond what you get in powerplant fuel (not easy), build nuke detonator (tricky), assemble everything into payload that will go critical at command (tricky) and that's for normal aircraft carried bomb. Missile warheads are more complex.

Oh, we've had a (secret) nuke programme back in the commie era, but between economy, politics, and a few "suspicious" deaths it got canned. Supposedly we got to the point where an "experimental device" could be tested, but we kinda had no spot for it (other then underground test in old dug-out mines) that wouldn't immediately point at us.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Sorry, but you got nowhere near the test device, the facility where uranium enrichment would take place was only half built when the project was shut down.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Why do I get the feeling that, at this rate, Poland/Eastern Europe may end up as America's right hand man on the continent whilst Western Europe is picking up the pieces from Radical Leftism gone out of control?

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Why do I get the feeling that, at this rate, Poland/Eastern Europe may end up as America's right hand man on the continent whilst Western Europe is picking up the pieces from Radical Leftism gone out of control?

Western Europe will do what it can to discredit and humiliate and demean and accuse Poland for the next few years

 

[Floridaman]

Western Europe will do what it can to discredit and humiliate and demean and accuse Poland for the next few years

So business as usual then?

 

[CarlManvers2019]

So business as usual then?

Yup, but perhaps there need be ways to "intensify" the effort

 

[Tryglaw]

Sorry, but you got nowhere near the test device, the facility where uranium enrichment would take place was only half built when the project was shut down.

From what I understand, and what little was available in Polish sources / reading between the lines, back when Gierek was First Secretary, he refused the testing on grounds of "where". Take it as you will...

They also didn't mean to use Uranium, but trigger fusion in deuterium / tritium by pressure without fission device, which was made successfully under laboratory conditions in 1977.

 

[Bacle]

So another interesting bit of info I just learned.

It seems Poland has massive amounts of oil shale/shale gas and tight hydrocarbons locked away.

Polish shale hitting the rocks – DW – 05/24/2016

There was a time when Polish policymakers thought the nation's shale gas exploration efforts might eventually decrease Warsaw's energy dependence on Russia. But as Jo Harper reports, the prospects are not so rosy now.

amp.dw.com

If they were to get US fracking tech...

 

[CarlManvers2019]

So another interesting bit of info I just learned.

It seems Poland has massive amounts of oil shale/shale gas and tight hydrocarbons locked away.

Polish shale hitting the rocks – DW – 05/24/2016

There was a time when Polish policymakers thought the nation's shale gas exploration efforts might eventually decrease Warsaw's energy dependence on Russia. But as Jo Harper reports, the prospects are not so rosy now.

amp.dw.com

If they were to get US fracking tech...

Greta Thunberg will be PISSED

 

[Cherico]

Greta Thunberg will be PISSED

I didn't think I needed another reason to like Poland after the witcher series but you know what throw this one on the pile.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I didn't think I needed another reason to like Poland after the witcher series but you know what throw this one on the pile.

Haven't watched/read/played The Witcher, but gotta say, there's one new monster to slay.....and it's pretty ugly and hard to believe its a teenager and sounds British

 

[Tiamat]

I didn't think I needed another reason to like Poland after the witcher series but you know what throw this one on the pile.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I don't know about you, but that sort of upper class intellectual British accent always weirds me out in how uncanny it all is

 

[Tryglaw]

So another interesting bit of info I just learned.

It seems Poland has massive amounts of oil shale/shale gas and tight hydrocarbons locked away.

Polish shale hitting the rocks – DW – 05/24/2016

There was a time when Polish policymakers thought the nation's shale gas exploration efforts might eventually decrease Warsaw's energy dependence on Russia. But as Jo Harper reports, the prospects are not so rosy now.

amp.dw.com

If they were to get US fracking tech...

This is actually quite a bit more complicated.There appears to be no political will to make Polish shale happen.

The previously in charge Civic Platform would never be permitted by it's bosses in Berlin (Tusk was Merkel's footstool for all intent and purpose).
Berlin would also pay off "ecologists" to protest and contest the shit out of any installation, and EU authorities can't be counted to be impartial in this either - France is openly permitted to break budget deficit rules "because it's France". EU very much has different standards for different members, as evidenced by recent "mobility directive" that changed the rules on free flow of services once Eastern Europeans started to undercut "old" EU in transportation sector for example.

Current Law and Justice won't do it either.

First, because Uncle Sam didn't outright order it (I swear the US ambassador Mossbacher acts like she's a province / protectorate governor at times, and with little tact too...), and LaJ is in many ways as much an US' bitch as CP was a German one.

Two, because US companies would have to be exempted from taxes* and given monopoly / run the matter in a way that won't compete with US exports of gas / oil.
* a number of planned and anounced taxes weren't instituted because the US embassy outright prohibited it.

Three, because for all it's russophobia for the show, LaJ is quite happy to buy Russian oil, gas and especially coal* with little interest to switch to US sources directly even when a possibility was offered (...), which is quite a bit schizophrenic on their part, given how submissive they usually are.

*Polish coal is high on calorific value and high on sulphur. Russian coal from some Siberian mines is low(er) of calorific value and (much) lower on sulphur (almost free). To lower sulphur value in exhaust fumes (and thus acidicy) Russian coal is mixed with Polish to reduce sulphur value.

Plus, LaJ cronies are lining their pockets esp. in the coal trade as intermediaries, and you'll notice the recent LNG gas was likewise made with an intermediary.