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CarlManvers2019

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More that the Chaos Gods are exactly the kind of thing that the Archangels would be allowed to go all out against.

Sure, but even Magnus doesn't actually have any feats that would place him into even the third tier of beings. If the Primarch uses Dresden Files magic then they would easily become the greatest wizard to have ever lived but with only their native powers they are only around Senior Council level and with far less versatility or potential power.

Depends entirely on the context, but they would most probably be enemies. Mab is essentially a Warp God in 40k parlance and while on the whole friendly to humanity she still fucks with them purely for amusement value.

Yes, because most people really don't get the Emperor and lots more are allowing modern values and sensibilities to pollute the setting.

The Emperor wants the Eldar dead. He is virulently anti alien, extra especially dislikes the Eldar, and absolutely despises warp entities. So of course he will be paired up with an Eldar warp god.

I'm gonna have bet that on other far off planets, Chaos Cultists are wondering why they never hear from their Gods anymore

Don't forget those rules meant to prevent magical corruption

Yeah, there's also the fact that the Winter Fae, as much as I've argued with Redditors who insist that Summer Fae are EXACTLY as bad as them, are almost all a bunch of sadistic serial killers and serial rapists who enjoy targeting mortals.

Even with "Blue And Orange Morality" as a justification, they're almost all Lloyd Slates to me. Hell, their "logic" is very akin to the "survival instincts(and lack of empathy)" of the Werewolves from Delcourt-Soleil's World War Wolves. Those survival instincts are for extremely dangerous survivalist animals in winters NOT for anything close to a peaceful and reasonable society. They'll rape women both for fun and to get changelings every now and then.

I expect plans of genocide by the Emperor. Fomor, Red Court, Black Court, White Court etc all end up on the list.

Applying modern day values to the Emperor......even Great Crusade Humanity had things like thralldom/serfom/slavery, lobotomised cyber slaves(servitors) and noble titles over elections for planets
 

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Applying modern day values to the Emperor......even Great Crusade Humanity had things like thralldom/serfom/slavery, lobotomised cyber slaves(servitors) and noble titles over elections for planets
Yup, I love how people overlook that this was the guy who was entirely ok with the Night Lords terror tactics. The guy who took young boys in the hundreds of thousands, brainwashed them, indoctrinated them, reshaped their bodies, and then sent those janissaries out to conquer the galaxy in his name.

Humanity, and the galaxy, are better off thanks to the Emperor's actions but those same actions are ones that make the combined monstrosities of every human monster to have ever drawn breath look like the work of saints.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Yup, I love how people overlook that this was the guy who was entirely ok with the Night Lords terror tactics. The guy who took young boys in the hundreds of thousands, brainwashed them, indoctrinated them, reshaped their bodies, and then sent those janissaries out to conquer the galaxy in his name.

Humanity, and the galaxy, are better off thanks to the Emperor's actions but those same actions are ones that make the combined monstrosities of every human monster to have ever drawn breath look like the work of saints.

Don't forget, he also made the Thunder Warriors.....aside from the moral problems, gotta say, those guys I met on FFN talking about how great he is, even in a superhero setting

Really overestimate how good he is at things if he made an army of expendable super soldiers with mental and health problems

I remember this one time, I talked to some WH40K fan on FFN and he went on about how Batman would bow and agree with everything, to the Emperor when exposed to the Emperor's charisma and stuff

The Emperor STILL fought to gain Terra! The fact that mortals can reject him when faced with him, shows that he's not that ridiculously overwhelming in personality
 

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According to who? We never got him saying anything about Eldar must die above all other xenos.

They are a psychically active race that actively believes in Warp entities, fucks over humanity on a regular basis, control his future highway network, and are literally responsible to the creation of a Chaos God and much of the end of the Golden Age of man.

They are practically the embodiment of everything that the Emperor is against.
 

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Don't forget, he also made the Thunder Warriors.....aside from the moral problems, gotta say, those guys I met on FFN talking about how great he is, even in a superhero setting

Really overestimate how good he is at things if he made an army of expendable super soldiers with mental and health problems

My personal headcanon on that one is that creation of super soldiers in the model of the Custodes/Thunder Warriors/Astartes is not truly a purely material thing.

The Custodes were literally reshaped from birth by the Emperors power, every single molecule of their beings blazes with his power and their souls bound utterly to him. It is from him that the power needed to keep their bodies functioning is drawn. This also explains their limited numbers; every Custodes that he produces ties down some fraction of his power.

The Thunder Warriors were the Emperors attempt to do much the same thing except drawing the power from the individuals own soul and without the tie to him. This went...poorly. Oh it worked but they were essentially wide open to chaos corruption, especially that of Korn given their role.

The Primarchs were essentially Custodes except that the Emperor also drew a great deal of warp power and used it to essentially fill in a soul framework created by the fragment of his own power that he gave up to create them. Unlike the Custodes however, the Emperor wrote their genetic/physical code into their souls. Their pods were essentially soul traps that he used to contain the initial souls which then drew on the warp to create the body ex nihilo and so bound the soul to the body. This all resulted in the offloading of the power requirements from the Emperor onto the new souls, souls that he had ensured were second only to his own in raw power.

The Astartes were essentially just slightly refined Thunder Warriors except they supplemented the power of their own souls with that of their Primarch and drew on the Warp through said Primarch (who essentially acted as a filter).

I remember this one time, I talked to some WH40K fan on FFN and he went on about how Batman would bow and agree with everything, to the Emperor when exposed to the Emperor's charisma and stuff

The Emperor STILL fought to gain Terra! The fact that mortals can reject him when faced with him, shows that he's not that ridiculously overwhelming in personality
Oh, if the Emperor wants someone to bow to him then they will. And he is so far beyond human levels of charisma that it is beyond comprehension. Even without his psychic powers, he is literally intelligent enough, has good enough senses, and knows biology well enough that he can literally model someones entire physical existence in his head and then essentially simulate interacting with them however many times it takes to figure out exactly what actions on his part will convince that individual.
 

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Babylon 5 and Homeworld crossover

The Kushan mothership, on her journey to Hiigara, emerges from hyperspace next to Babylon 5. The Kushan can be a non-human but humanoid race (like most in the setting).

Cue plenty of cultural and political wrangling. The Kushan will want to trade for technology. Turanic Raiders start raiding Earth Alliance planets, all the while the Taiidani Empire makes first contact and demands the mothership on a platter, or there will be war.
 

CarlManvers2019

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In a Worm AU where female Parahumans become MGE Mamono

Amy Dallon triggers as an MGE!Lich with knowledge of “Biomancy”

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She decides to go and use it to become a super martial artist or play sports with Vicky

Okay, got nothing, @Ganurath I think you still follow on Ward, any ideas how this changes things? I think she went crazy over there
 

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Well, considering that she canonically raped her sister and erased her memory of it after healing her from Crawler's acid, I don't think that turning her into a sex-crazed monster girl will do much for her sexual temperance. That's Worm canon, by the way, not Ward. Turns out, the botched healing was bad fanon, and the multilimb mess was a result of Amy being unconventional about how she raped her sister. Don't believe me? Reread Carol's Interlude.

Amy stole a bit of Victoria's flesh and keeps it on herself as a benign tumor so that she's always close, and has been making pseudo-Endbringers to give her evil empire an army. Her cape name is now Red Queen, and one of her more benign advisors is one of Nilbog's squirrel demons.

With all that said, though, MGE Mamona's feed exclusively on male energies, and the lack of male genitalia on the limb pile she turned her sister into indicates her tastes there. If the MGE stuff overrides her canon orientation... Well, what happens when male capes trigger, in this AU?
 

CarlManvers2019

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Well, considering that she canonically raped her sister and erased her memory of it after healing her from Crawler's acid, I don't think that turning her into a sex-crazed monster girl will do much for her sexual temperance. That's Worm canon, by the way, not Ward. Turns out, the botched healing was bad fanon, and the multilimb mess was a result of Amy being unconventional about how she raped her sister. Don't believe me? Reread Carol's Interlude.

Amy stole a bit of Victoria's flesh and keeps it on herself as a benign tumor so that she's always close, and has been making pseudo-Endbringers to give her evil empire an army. Her cape name is now Red Queen, and one of her more benign advisors is one of Nilbog's squirrel demons.

With all that said, though, MGE Mamona's feed exclusively on male energies, and the lack of male genitalia on the limb pile she turned her sister into indicates her tastes there. If the MGE stuff overrides her canon orientation... Well, what happens when male capes trigger, in this AU?

Honestly that feels like a sort of retcon, and I think even Marquis would be shocked and disgusted

What happened to him? Last I checked, he alongside Lung and that Birdcage lady who turned men into mentally unstable douchebags were with Teacher. Also, I think aside from her Vicky-sexual-ness.....doesn’t she have issues with seeing the world black&white and her whole being against brain modifications

Male Capes either stay the same or become Bishounen or Manly-Handsome dudes

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Speaking of Bishounen, I had an idea years back wherein Allen Walker or some OC or some similar character, used a power to essentially depower Parahumans

Why? Because I honestly think most of all the problems, especially newly created ones are caused by Parahumans triggering and gaining powers that don’t mesh well with their mental instability and complexes

If you don’t know who Allen Walker is, he’s the MC of D. Gray-Man.....the manga is only on a every three-four month release now and let’s just say him REALLY not wanting to kill some superpowered evil humans resulted in him gaining a power to exorcise them of the source of their powers....didn’t work


Though going back to MGE!Male Parahumans.....I’d say it’s best to stay away from them. Heartbreaker may be a literal fucking Incubus, like the White Court Vampires from Dresden Files with charm abilities on fucking steroids
 
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CarlManvers2019

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Original Story Premise: A Harem Protagonist is actually a Shoggoth from the Antarctic trying to blend in modern day society and is annoyed that he’s getting so much attention from “females”

He doesn’t even really even bother with imitating male organs
 

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Sure, but even Magnus doesn't actually have any feats that would place him into even the third tier of beings. If the Primarch uses Dresden Files magic then they would easily become the greatest wizard to have ever lived but with only their native powers they are only around Senior Council level and with far less versatility or potential power.
Magnus could astral project across the galaxy. He can freeze time and turn himself a giant.

40k psykers can shapeshift and regenerate, freeze time, time loops, they can resurrect people even. Only the sympathetic magic and time travel is not included I believe but everything else can be matched.

Original Story Premise: A Harem Protagonist is actually a Shoggoth from the Antarctic trying to blend in modern day society and is annoyed that he’s getting so much attention from “females”

He doesn’t even really even bother with imitating male organs
No need for male organs. He can just use tentacles. Have you not watched enough hentai to know girls apparently love them?
 
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Angron SI
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I was born in battle, my first conscious memories being of my tiny fist punching clean through some xenos metal and pulping a xenos knee.

'what the fuck? what happened? what? just what?'

My mind essentially shutdown as I tried to process the utterly alien experience of awakening not in the bed that I went to sleep in but instead in some body half my size and yet superhuman enough to punch straight through solid metal without issue. As I tried to process a cavalcade of subconscious memories, instinctive reactions, superhuman senses, and a mind that was far beyond anything I could have ever imagined.

As I was lost trying to process, my body kept fighting on its own. One three foot tall human weighing perhaps a hundred pounds against ninety six xenos warriors in combat armor; it was a slaughter. I could not tell you the name of their species and yet I could tell you every weak point of their bodies. I was a fairly casual practitioner of martial arts and yet my body was an absolute master of countless thousands of forms. They had hypersonic guns and yet I seemed to have an instinctive ability to simply not be where they aimed when they fired. They had reflexes and reaction speeds far beyond merely human; and yet to my mind they were like a sloth moving through a pool of molasses.

Still, for all that I was inherently better than those xenos; there were ninety six of them, each a veteran with hundreds - perhaps thousands - of years experience, each equipped with sci-fi power armor and weapons, and each far beyond merely human. I took hits, I bled, and I won; until I swung a hand chop at the last of the xenos neck. Moments before the xenos was decapitated some alien force came crashing into my mind as it tried to eradicate everything that I was from existence.

With that attack came knowledge of its reasons; the xenos had attacked me because they feared what I could become. Visions of my leading armies across the stars as humanities avenging angel of war, vision of me standing over fields of corpses and oceans of blood. I knew that I had been crafted to be humanities the supreme combatant, the champion of battle, the very distillation of combat, warfare, and battle; a god of war. At that last thought some instinct caused me to recoil even as a barely heard voice whispered to me "there are no gods".

All of that came in an instant, on the first waves of the xenos's death strike; it was a bare instant later that I found myself fighting for my mind and soul. My mind turned a wave of furious, all consuming, fire into a seemingly limitless army of enemies and I began to fight. I destroyed those enemies by the tens of thousands and yet I was taking damage, being weakened ever so infinitesimally with everyone. Eventually, with some instinct that I didn't begin to understand, I ripped the last scraps of power from one of those dying on my hands and used it to strengthen myself. I healed; not fully nor completely, but I healed. With that newfound hope I returned to my slaughter, regaining just a bit more health with every strike.

Eventually, after what felt like eons of constant war, I had won. Only to awaken with a crown of metal spikes driven into my brain and locked in a cage.

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I've toyed with ideas for a Primarch SI for a while, and this one seemed more appealing than most. Every Primarch had their role, and Angrons (in this at least) was essentially to be the very totality of combat and war.

SI!Angron spends the next two years growing to full primarch maturity even as he is sent daily into the Arena. Most of those two years are agony as he refuses to allow the Butcher's Nails to enslave him and fights a relentless war for his very mind. The Nail's interfere with his psyker powers and also allow his enslavers to disable his nervous system if/when he attempts to escape or cause problems.

Even so, he refuses to bow to them or obey them. His every trip to the arena ends with them paralyzing his body and dragging him off the field as he refuses to bow to the masters of the arena and he only kills those opponents of his that he decides to kill. Despite all of the issues with him, he is absolutely dominant in the arena and a great draw so the masters continue to "let" him live. At least until his previous owner dies and the owners son inherits; he will bring this dog to heel.

The power of the Butchers Nails is increased and SI!Angron is left with a choice; he can either submit to them (and thus allow them to remap his mind) or he can continue to fight them until even his extremely enhanced nervous system is burned out and he dies.

SI!Angron absolutely refuses to submit; he will die before he ever allows anyone, or anything, else to command his mind. Eventually he does just that; dies. His body is taken to the morgue for autopsy but that is not the end of things.

He is a Primarch. He is not going to allow some no note humans with a few archeotech toys to end him. He Will Not Die!

And so just like SI!Angron has been fighting since his very first memories; first for life, then for his soul, then for his mind, he would come full circle and fight for his life once more. Ultimately, SI!Angron is a Primarch; one of the most supremely powerful psychic entities to have ever existed. His soul forces his body to live again and uses the energies of the Immaterium, for the first time in two years free of the interference of the Nails, to burn every trace of the Nails or their corruption from his body.

Angron awakens on the slab and slaughters his way out of the city, without the control of the Nails he is simply beyond them. In the process he wipes out his enslaver (and his entire family), steals the master control device for that families Butcher Nailed gladiators, and frees them.

Over the next two years Angron conquers his world, and delves more deeply into his psychic powers. Unlike canon!Angron, he has not been corrupted into a blood crazed barbarian living solely for the next battle and instead actually has some strategic vision.

Angron's psychic powers are primarily focused on himself. Think Superman as opposed to the Doctor Strange of Magnus. His fists are essentially force weapons, imbued with psychic power they are able to casually slice through even the very toughest of substances. His skin makes adamantium look weak are piercing it requires overcoming a Primarch level psykers conviction that it is utterly impenetrable.

His telepathy is powerful, on the mortal scale, but not anything truly special save in one respect. He basically has Star Wars battle meditation in that he can reach out to his own forces (and especially easily to his Legion) and link them all into one gestalt hivemind/consciousness under his direction; what one sees - all are aware of, what one knows - all know. They still have their own minds but everyone of them essentially has Angron whispering the perfect move to make into those minds in every second of every battle. They need no Vox, nor even words, to exhibit perfect coordination across an entire star system (at least in the case of his Legions, with mortals his reach is only around continental level).

The XII's Librarians are all soulbound to Angron. On their own, their powers are fairly limited save for an ability to replicate Angron's own Battle Meditation on a squad to company level. What makes them special is that their soulbonds to their Primarch allow Angron to use them as nodes for his own battle meditation. A XII librarian in deep meditation is enough for allow Angron to safely (to the librarian) exercise his ability on the continental scale around the Librarian. With three librarians linked together he can cover most of a star system.

The end result of that gift is that Angron, and the XII Legion, can coordinate a war not merely across one planet or star system but across the entire galaxy. In addition, when Angron has someone under the influence of his Battle Meditation, he acts as sword & shield for their soul; any Warp born attacks or entities that want to interfere with them will face an Angron commanded psychic entity made up of the combined might of all of those under his influence.

Essentially, Angron and the 12th are the embodiment of the soldier and death dealer. They aren't the warriors of Russ bound by honor or driven by personal ferocity. They aren't the Word Bearers of Lorgar driven to prosthelytize and integrate conquered worlds into the Imperiums ideology. They aren't the logistics masters of Ultramar with their penchant for world building. They aren't the terror weapons of the 8th, unleashed to scare others into compliance. They aren't the Lunar Wolves, designed to be the embodiment of the propaganda poster. They aren't the peacekeepers of the Salamanders, shepherding the civilians to safety.

The 12th is simply the most brutally efficiently delivered death to the enemies of man. Their honor is in the mission, not the means used to complete it. Their lives are spent either training for battle or in battle.

Of course, Angron (and the rest) are Primarchs. Just because they are all exemplars of specific areas doesn't change the fact that everyone of them is also near deifically skilled in any (and every) field that they try their hands at.
 

CarlManvers2019

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No need for male organs. He can just use tentacles. Have you not watched enough hentai to know girls apparently love them?

Eh, simply tentacles’ pretty boring to me

That said, Shoggoth as a Shounen Protagonist, we know why he eats so much, apparently transforming a lot takes up energy....cool
 

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Angron SI snippet: Ryloch-5
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Ryloch-5 was the homeworld and capital of a xenos species that had built a hundred system polity largely on the back of human slave labor; defended by a staggering array of orbital defenses it was projected to be near runioniously expensive to conquer.

Angron and the Death Dealers had different ideas. Nearly a light month out from the systems star, and far beyond the detection range of the xenos augurs, the battle barges of the 12th emerged from the warp and twenty thousand Astartes in armor equipped with specialized maneuvering packs were fired out of their launch tubes at carefully calculated velocities and times. They would float through the void for nearly five years as naught but inert space debris. While enough fleet elements were left in the system to conduct a masterful game of feint and maneuver, the rest of the Death Dealers proceeded to conquer system after system until Ryloch-5 was all the xenos had left.

Angron brought his fleet in system, appearing to be a massive hammer blow about to strike the xenos fleet and take the casualties. That is when the xenos found space marine borders crashing into their hulls. The years of feints and indeed the entire space battle had been orchestrated by the primarch to position the xenos vessels on the right headings and vectors for the space marines to close at low enough relative velocities to slip past the xenos void shields and survive crashing into the vessels.

The final fleet action of Ryloch-5 was over in a matter of hours with the destruction or capture of 1,871 xenos ships for the cost of two hundred and twelve space marines; no IoM Naval vessel suffered damage. Still, Ryloch-5 held out behind its array of massively powerful planetary shield generators and ground to orbit weaponry. That is when the Astartes repurposed the xenos vessels and set eighteen hundred of their prizes on a time-on-target collision course with the planet.

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Drop pods are for those panies in the Space Wolves; real men conduct orbital drops in power armor launched from space ships 777 billion kilometers away from their targets, aimed at where their enemies are supposed to be five years hence. :D
 

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What’s with the current Death Dealer leadership? Have any of the Terrans been replaced by Nucerians yet?
What leadership?

When Angron is leading them it is basically one gestalt entity with him as the dominant will and as the Legion experiences that they become aware of each members strengths, weaknesses, traits, flaws, etc. They know one another in a way that is utterly beyond any of their brother legions.

As such, even without the battle meditation in effect, they simply act without a need for direction. They all simply know what their brothers will do, how they will act and react, what needs to be accomplished, who can accomplish which tasks best, etc. To the extent that leadership is needed; whomever among the 12th is best suited for leading those present in the situation that they are in is the leader.
 

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