Britain Passing of Queen Elizabeth Political Discussion

[Agent23]

You seem to have a misunderstanding.

Vassals pay tribute to their Imperators.

The US sends aid money and the like to the many nations it has close relationships as Global Hegemon.


The UK, the EU, etc, are not vassals of the US. They are allies that are sufficiently less in power that they don't get a whole lot of say in what coalition efforts do.

Lol, you really don't understand how international business and economics work, do you?

The US/G-7/EU central banks control the primary settlement currency on the planet, the (euro)dollar, which also includes the petrodollar.
They make sure everyone into debt bondage with the help of the WB and the IMF and with the help of the various commercial banks and Wall Street.
This basically forces everyone else to scurry to get dollars, which means dumping their own currency and buying US treasuries, no matter the shitty yield, they might want to jack up taxes on foreign imported manufactured goods and on exports of raw materials, thus giving a chance of local entrepreneurs to produce alternatives, much like what Korea, Japan and Singapore did, but the neo-liberal globalist bankster cartel and their tranzi institutions fuck them over and force them to implement "free trade" policies.
The money the west and the USA in particular sends out is peanuts in comparison to negative real interest loans they are getting because countries in Asia for instance do not want a repeat of the Asian financial crisis and need access to oil, and other raw materials which have to be paid for in dollars.

Ironically enough, U.S. manufacturing would take off if the dollar wasn't a global reserve currency, since the U.S.A has the resources and the manpower and at least in some states the legal framework to do very well and be a major manufacturer, like it was pre-WWI and II.

The problem is the globalist bankster bureaucrat class, aka the aristocracy as @*THASF* might put it.

 

[Agent23]

On a related note, another thing that irks me aside for the whole lemming-like outpouring of public crocodile tears.
Don't you find it pathetic that the British are all going nuts because of the death of a glorified, close to 100 years old rubber stamp, and when their inflation goes into the double digits, a lot of their businesses are forced to go out of business and they are all facing massive increases in energy costs with a lot of their elderly and working class people being unable to heat their homes this winter and there is no mass outpouring of emotions about that?

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Lol, you really don't understand how international business and economics work, do you?

The US/G-7/EU central banks control the primary settlement currency on the planet, the (euro)dollar, which also includes the petrodollar.
They make sure everyone into debt bondage with the help of the WB and the IMF and with the help of the various commercial banks and Wall Street.
This basically forces everyone else to scurry to get dollars, which means dumping their own currency and buying US treasuries, no matter the shitty yield, they might want to jack up taxes on foreign imported manufactured goods and on exports of raw materials, thus giving a chance of local entrepreneurs to produce alternatives, much like what Korea, Japan and Singapore did, but the neo-liberal globalist bankster cartel and their tranzi institutions fuck them over and force them to implement "free trade" policies.
The money the west and the USA in particular sends out is peanuts in comparison to negative real interest loans they are getting because countries in Asia for instance do not want a repeat of the Asian financial crisis and need access to oil, and other raw materials which have to be paid for in dollars.

Ironically enough, U.S. manufacturing would take off if the dollar wasn't a global reserve currency, since the U.S.A has the resources and the manpower and at least in some states the legal framework to do very well and be a major manufacturer, like it was pre-WWI and II.

The problem is the globalist bankster bureaucrat class, aka the aristocracy as @*THASF* might put it.

I'd be all for changing the global currency from dollars to either gold silver or copper. We may be owed a lot of funny money interest, but we aren't actually seeing any of that back. Heck just look at our national debt.

 

[Agent23]

I'd be all for changing the global currency from dollars to either gold silver or copper. We may be owed a lot of funny money interest, but we aren't actually seeing any of that back. Heck just look at our national debt.

No, dude, the world is basically subsidizing you.

Keynes btw proposed an international trade settlement currency called a bankor that would have been used as an alternative to the dollar, since even he thought that moneyprinter go brr was a bad idea.

But one of FDR's shills decided that a gold-backed dollar was a better idea.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Soviet satellite states took orders from Moscow.

European nations do not take orders from Washington.

This term does not suit either.

But Europe does and has left all of the important foreign policy decisions to the US. I guess you could call them "Military colonies" if you really wanna nit pick.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

But Europe does and has left all of the important foreign policy decisions to the US. I guess you could call them "Military colonies" if you really wanna nit pick.

If it's any condolence I'm all for isolationism at this point.

 

[LordsFire]

But Europe does and has left all of the important foreign policy decisions to the US. I guess you could call them "Military colonies" if you really wanna nit pick.

First off, no Europe has not. If it had, Europe would not have become dependent on Russian oil and gas. It is fair to say that Europe has allowed America to take point on a huge amount of international issues that functionally dominate their foreign affairs, but by no means all. Even then though...

Second off, a huge amount of the foreign policy stuff that's dominated by the US isn't 'The American have decreed this is how things will be so we must submit.,' it's much more of a 'Why trouble ourselves? Let the Americans handle it.'

 

[Carrot of Truth]

First off, no Europe has not. If it had, Europe would not have become dependent on Russian oil and gas. It is fair to say that Europe has allowed America to take point on a huge amount of international issues that functionally dominate their foreign affairs, but by no means all. Even then though...

Second off, a huge amount of the foreign policy stuff that's dominated by the US isn't 'The American have decreed this is how things will be so we must submit.,' it's much more of a 'Why trouble ourselves? Let the Americans handle it.'

Sounds like Euro cope

 

[Bacle]

I'd be all for changing the global currency from dollars to either gold silver or copper. We may be owed a lot of funny money interest, but we aren't actually seeing any of that back. Heck just look at our national debt.

Pegging currency to copper is a realistic idea that would...reset the market, but not drastically.

And copper really is the most valuable metal we have as a species, because of just how much shit depends on it.

 

[bintananth]

Pegging currency to copper is a realistic idea that would...reset the market, but not drastically.

And copper really is the most valuable metal we have as a species, because of just how much shit depends on it.

It's also very abundant, easy to work with, and practically worthless in the grand scheme of things.

The reason my specs call for copper pipes is because "fuck it, that'll work" and asking for steel or aluminium when I don't need steel or aluminium is wasting other people's money.

 

[LordsFire]

Sounds like Euro cope

...I'm American.

I've met some very hardy and respectable Europeans. I've also seen a lot of spaghetti-spined 'go with whatever the cultural consensus is' eurocrats.

I wish that the Euros would get off their asses, shrink their governments, reform their cultures, rebuild their militaries, and have some more damn national pride. Maybe then they'd stop relying on us for everything.

None of this changes the fact that European nations are neither vassals nor satellite states. Post-WWII Germany was for a while, but that time has long passed.

If you want something closer to a vassal or satellite, look at Korea and Japan. Like Germany, Japan absolutely was post-WWII, though they don't fully qualify as much anymore, they're a lot closer to it than the Euros. Korea more or less is a client state, not sure if they're quite vassal or satellite given their vast amount of government autonomy, but they're literally one well-worded threat of military withdrawal away from being such.

Just because the US could have turned much of Europe into vassal states in the mid-20th century if it had actually had the imperialist ambitions some claim, doesn't mean that it did.

 

[Christi]

People on Twitter right now are going on about the British Raj and how horrible it was. Screw the British Raj. Literally every misery that was inflicted on humanity in the past millennium can be attributed to these royal bloodlines. I will not shed one single tear.

Yeah. I don’t do sins of the father. Also you’re a westerner. You’re among the richest class to ever live and by global standards you’re the 1 percent/nobility/rich etc. You’re a part of the class that is just as much to blame.

 

[bintananth]

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Yeah. I don’t do sins of the father. Also you’re a westerner. You’re among the richest class to ever live and by global standards you’re the 1 percent/nobility/rich etc. You’re a part of the class that is just as much to blame.

The richest 1% is actually true.

A homeless American with a car is much wealthier than the typical Haitian. Their per capita GDP is less than $100US per month.

 

[VictortheMonarch]

Honestly I feel as if Charles III might be ruling during turbulent times. Parliament is indeed under control of the Tory's, but I feel like with most economic disasters (which we are just in the beginning phases of) we will likely see a Socialist rise, not enough to hold a majority, but under a alliance with like minded leftist, it may be enough to topple the Tory's hold, and I have no doubt the Socialist would not hesitate to 'conquer' the British Monarchy.

 

[King Arts]

Honestly I feel as if Charles III might be ruling during turbulent times. Parliament is indeed under control of the Tory's, but I feel like with most economic disasters (which we are just in the beginning phases of) we will likely see a Socialist rise, not enough to hold a majority, but under a alliance with like minded leftist, it may be enough to topple the Tory's hold, and I have no doubt the Socialist would not hesitate to 'conquer' the British Monarchy.

I mean does it really matter at this point? Like you could make the argument that the monarchy failed. Even in things that the king had actual power in not government but the church of England they allowed the Anglican church to fall into apostasy and liberalism and atheism, allowing to gay marriage. As head of the church they could have dismissed priests that were not faithful. Or just remove state power from the Anglican church.

 

[Iconoclast]

The problem is the globalist bankster bureaucrat class, aka the aristocracy as @*THASF* might put it.

Also known as Western Oligarchs, or the Overclass, or Human Cattle Ranchers.

They use the US as the world's money printer, and have been doing so since the end of the Bretton Woods system. But pocketing surplus productivity through currency manipulation wasn't enough for the greedy bastards, so they engaged in labor arbitrage and opened up "free trade" with SEA and had private equity firms liquidate most of America's productive industries, which literally cannot compete with countries where people are paid one-tenth the wages to produce the same products. And then, after decades of despoiling the planet, transporting goods long distances and using gobs of fossil fuels to take advantage of labor arbitrage, and promoting a throwaway culture to ensure constant revenue streams, these sons of bitches flying around in their private jets have the nerve to act like us average people are the ones destroying the environment.

The old money families, the Guelphs, the Orsinis, and their Rothschild and Rockefeller bagmen, want everything. They want it all. They don't want countries with free citizens who own our property outright. They want to hold all assets and lease them to us on a conditional basis so they hold absolute power. What accelerates a depression is when average people see a recession and then panic and hoard money. The Overclass don't want you to be able to hoard money, at all. They want you to rent everything to live, and be paid a Gesell currency that expires unless you spend it, so they have direct control over how much you spend, and therefore, maintain an artificially high velocity of money.

This COVID bullshit was engineered to cover up a liquidity crisis.

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All this other bullshit, including the looming WWIII with Russia and China, is because that ongoing liquidity crisis is now bleeding into the energy markets, which affects Putin's bottom line, since his country is entirely dependent on energy sales for wealth. The Overclass tried to do everything in their power to make the USD unappealing enough that countries and firms would dump their cash. Didn't happen. The USD was simply too strong.

Yeah. I don’t do sins of the father. Also you’re a westerner. You’re among the richest class to ever live and by global standards you’re the 1 percent/nobility/rich etc. You’re a part of the class that is just as much to blame.

Why should I care? We came by our prosperity honestly. My ancestors didn't work in steel mills, and factories, and machine shops, and oil fields, away from their families for days, weeks, or months at a time, so some shirt-knitter in Indonesia can complain about how good we've got it. I will not apologize for American excellence. We had it good, and we should have had it even better. We would have, if the British Crown and European old money hadn't decided to sabotage us on purpose. The riches of Post-WWII America embarrassed them.

 

[Agent23]

Why should I care? We came by our prosperity honestly. My ancestors didn't work in steel mills, and factories, and machine shops, and oil fields, away from their families for days, weeks, or months at a time, so some shirt-knitter in Indonesia can complain about how good we've got it. I will not apologize for American excellence. We had it good, and we should have had it even better. We would have, if the British Crown and European old money hadn't decided to sabotage us on purpose. The riches of Post-WWII America embarrassed them.

Actually your Oligarchs were rather keen to fuse themselves to the European Old Money and Aristocracy, a lot of the kids of the robber barons got hitched to people with aristocratic titles.

If we'd had sound money the massive deficits the USA has been enjoying wouldn't have been possible, you would have been forced to run balanced budgets and more effective companies so as to keep your edge globally, we would not have nearly as many special interest groups and bankster arbitrageurs running amok, and the USA schools would be teaching the hard sciences and useful skills, not gender bullshit.

 

[VictortheMonarch]

I mean does it really matter at this point? Like you could make the argument that the monarchy failed. Even in things that the king had actual power in not government but the church of England they allowed the Anglican church to fall into apostasy and liberalism and atheism, allowing to gay marriage. As head of the church they could have dismissed priests that were not faithful. Or just remove state power from the Anglican church.

The problem with that is the people of England. It's not like here in America where the gays constantly are causing problems, over there their gay population is smaller and less troublesome. Thus they get their rights due to a global push for rights and they don't cause alot of problems, thus removing those who initiate gay weddings will only damage the Monarchy. besides that the church does not cover political parties, and what kind of preacher would be atheist?

 

[bintananth]

The problem with that is the people of England. It's not like here in America where the gays constantly are causing problems, over there their gay population is smaller and less troublesome. Thus they get their rights due to a global push for rights and they don't cause alot of problems, thus removing those who initiate gay weddings will only damage the Monarchy. besides that the church does not cover political parties, and what kind of preacher would be atheist?

The biggest difference between an American and someone British is that Americans generally don't care about aristcratic titles while someone British often does.

As for religion? Which religion is the correct one?

There are a lot of Americans who can express displeasure (to put it mildly) with your beliefs and are only held back by the expense of a felony defense.

 

[King Arts]

The problem with that is the people of England. It's not like here in America where the gays constantly are causing problems, over there their gay population is smaller and less troublesome. Thus they get their rights due to a global push for rights and they don't cause alot of problems, thus removing those who initiate gay weddings will only damage the Monarchy. besides that the church does not cover political parties, and what kind of preacher would be atheist?

I’m not talking about secular society tolerating gays I’m talking about the Anglican Church. Yes it’s an arm of government but it was also a church. And the monarch should have dissolved the church when it started with gays and priestesses. And yes many Episcopalians are atheists.