So the Turks are getting "older" planes, while Greece (whose economy is still in the shit) is buying new F-35's.
Anyone else seeing the unspoken message here?
Anyone else seeing the unspoken message here?
The Turks used to be part of the F-35 program.So the Turks are getting "older" planes, while Greece (whose economy is still in the shit) is buying new F-35's.
Anyone else seeing the unspoken message here?
It's notable that with the Ukraine war they had a surprise excuse and opportunity to get out of this boondoggle by donating the S-400 to Ukraine, yet they still didn't do it.The Turks used to be part of the F-35 program.
Then they decided to start buying Russian military hardware.
They got kicked out, and if they ever get let back in, it'll probably be after Gen 6 is flying.
Sultan Erdogan want old empire back.Well,considering what EU is doing,he could actually manage to creating new Ottoman,i mean erdogan,Empire.It's notable that with the Ukraine war they had a surprise excuse and opportunity to get out of this boondoggle by donating the S-400 to Ukraine, yet they still didn't do it.
Wanting is not enough to get one. He would need to be jumping at easy opportunities, but he mostly missed them, Syria, Iraq, and so on, they had their low points...Sultan Erdogan want old empire back.Well,considering what EU is doing,he could actually manage to creating new Ottoman,i mean erdogan,Empire.
And now EU low point would come in few years.Sultan Erdogan would have his chance to be remembered as first sultan of new dynasty ruling from Berlin over european sultanate.Wanting is not enough to get one. He would need to be jumping at easy opportunities, but he mostly missed them, Syria, Iraq, and so on, they had their low points...
Just... how. EU at a low point is still a far bigger challenge than Syria on a good day.And now EU low point would come in few years.Sultan Erdogan would have his chance to be remembered as first sultan of new dynasty ruling from Berlin over european sultanate.
Germans fucking it even more with their wilkommen approach,and then sending muslims to other countries.Just... how. EU at a low point is still a far bigger challenge than Syria on a good day.
So the Turks are getting "older" planes, while Greece (whose economy is still in the shit) is buying new F-35's.
Anyone else seeing the unspoken message here?
The M10 Booker is hilarious to me. I feel so vindicated, it’s not even funny.It is a fire support vehicle for direct fire.
It is not a tank doctrinally
Uh...it isn't an assault gun.The M10 Booker is hilarious to me. I feel so vindicated, it’s not even funny.
I distinctly recall getting into an argument with SBers once about the necessity of an assault gun for the Army to remove enemy fortifications, and so on.
I couldn’t help but notice, from combat footage from Iraq, how many baddies hid behind windowsills and how long it took a Bradley to chew through them, until finally they’d give up and have the flyboys drop a JDAM on it, to choruses of “Git sum, motherfucker!”
My argument was that the Army could make use of something like an Ontos to take out guys hiding in buildings, instead of expensive and time-consuming aircraft sorties. You’d have the big guns right there, in the formation, removing bunkers at will, just like an old assault gun.
The response I got was “We already have SMAWs/Bradleys/JDAMs/120mm AMP rounds, assault guns are obsolete WWII stuff”.
Fast-forward several years, and lo and behold, the Army is buying an assault gun. I mean, an MPF, or whatever they want to call it to avoid admitting they’re buying assault guns.
Another *THASF* prophecy fulfilled, lol!
My own proposition, back then, was a UGV based on the BAE Black Knight but with an autoloading 165mm demolition gun lobbing HESH shells to obliterate tough stone and mudbrick/adobe structures.Uh...it isn't an assault gun.
And Bradley's did the job just fine, and would depend on tje rounds they have.
It is basically replacing the Stryker 105, whoch again was not an assault gun.
The 105 is not the best round to use against adobe like structure in the ME.
Old Assault guns were often bigger or were focused elsewhere, and that we also have the capability to move a lot faster now.
These M10s arnt going to be used as Assault guns either. They are basically going to be used as heavy anti infantry and anti vehicle for Airborn and light forces.
Because even the mechanized units that don't have Abrams with them arnt getting a unit of Bookers.
The M10 Booker is hilarious to me. I feel so vindicated, it’s not even funny.
I distinctly recall getting into an argument with SBers once about the necessity of an assault gun for the Army to remove enemy fortifications, and so on.
I couldn’t help but notice, from combat footage from Iraq, how many baddies hid behind windowsills and how long it took a Bradley to chew through them, until finally they’d give up and have the flyboys drop a JDAM on it, to choruses of “Git sum, motherfucker!”
My argument was that the Army could make use of something like an Ontos to take out guys hiding in buildings, instead of expensive and time-consuming aircraft sorties. You’d have the big guns right there, in the formation, removing bunkers at will, just like an old assault gun.
The response I got was “We already have SMAWs/Bradleys/JDAMs/120mm AMP rounds, assault guns are obsolete WWII stuff”.
Fast-forward several years, and lo and behold, the Army is buying an assault gun. I mean, an MPF, or whatever they want to call it to avoid admitting they’re buying assault guns.
Another *THASF* prophecy fulfilled, lol!
120mm or 105mm gun would in fact make it redundant, it won't be going to units with M1's, the problem is that it's for quick reaction units that won't have MBTs, and relied on the MGS, but its retiring, and HE TOW costs a fortune compared to a gun AMP round so it can't be used too much, also btw they want AMP for the M10's 105 too, so that they can have any kind of large direct fire HE option that's not scarce.The M10 Booker is hilarious to me. I feel so vindicated, it’s not even funny.
I distinctly recall getting into an argument with SBers once about the necessity of an assault gun for the Army to remove enemy fortifications, and so on.
I couldn’t help but notice, from combat footage from Iraq, how many baddies hid behind windowsills and how long it took a Bradley to chew through them, until finally they’d give up and have the flyboys drop a JDAM on it, to choruses of “Git sum, motherfucker!”
My argument was that the Army could make use of something like an Ontos to take out guys hiding in buildings, instead of expensive and time-consuming aircraft sorties. You’d have the big guns right there, in the formation, removing bunkers at will, just like an old assault gun.
The response I got was “We already have SMAWs/Bradleys/JDAMs/120mm AMP rounds, assault guns are obsolete WWII stuff”.
Fast-forward several years, and lo and behold, the Army is buying an assault gun. I mean, an MPF, or whatever they want to call it to avoid admitting they’re buying assault guns.
Another *THASF* prophecy fulfilled, lol!
Czech Republic selected the F-35A for its Future Fighter program.
The deal is worth about $6.5 billion dollars apparently with all of the training and maintenance and whatnot figured in with the first expected arrival of the F-35's to come in about 2031. There's also discussion of incorporating Czech industry into teh F-35 program supply chain as well. The Czech Air Force currently operates 14 JAS 39 C/D Fighters on lease.
Czech Republic signs order of 24 F-35 fighter jets
The Czech Republic officially enters the F-35 program, signing a $6.5B deal for 24 advanced fighters.www.aerotime.aero
But the M10 is openly described as being intended for taking down fortifications.There are various tools already mentioned to take down fortifications. The M10 is best described as a light tank. What you're describing is a solution in search of a problem.
The M10 Booker is an armored vehicle that is intended to support our Infantry Brigade Combat Teams by suppressing and destroying fortifications, gun systems and trench routes, and then secondarily providing protection against enemy armored vehicles.
— Maj. Gen. Glenn Dean, program executive officer of Army Ground Combat Systems, [1]
The M10 will be assigned to light infantry, airborne, and mountain infantry units, directing its firepower against hardened enemy positions. The vehicle will "neutralize enemy prepared positions and bunkers and defeat heavy machine guns and armored vehicle threats during offensive operations or when conducting defensive operations against attacking enemies."
They have a range of about 1 to 2 kilometers and lob a propane cylinder (or in some cases, water heaters!) that is filled with enough explosive material for the resulting shell to be three-quarters explosive by mass. Even the smaller ones were putting 60+ pounds of explosive on-target, with some of them going all the way up to 400+ pounds of HE. Their CEP is actually not very large at all; the makeshift shells often have welded-on stabilizing fins and it's not uncommon for them to hit within the same few-meter circle when firing a volley. Even the most inaccurate ones can still consistently pound the same building over and over from a mile away.The "Hell Cannon" seen in Syria is more of an improvisational form of a large-caliber mortar that's wildly inaccurate, not to mention dangerous.