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[Aldarion]

Ah, so perhaps "end of USA by 2040" in the same sense that "KGBstan killed Russia". I still don't buy it but it's less unbelievable than the USA actually ceasing to exist as a recognizable geopolitical entity by then.

Shell continuing to exist doesn't matter if you remove everything important.

Russia died in 1917.

 

[ATP]

But its worse in other regards, some not fixable, like the logistics of not being the most common western fighter in the world, and some fixable at great cost (see: fully modernized Gripen price), at which point the option to get more F-35's becomes attractive. Some people think that might be cheaper, holy fuck.
The FA-50 idea is not bad either, it's based on a plane meant to be sold to third world countries due to being cheap (and it really is cheap which is another benefit) and easy to run, so if it handles crappy bases it should handle improvised ones too.

It's not that hard to imagine why they didn't want to fight World War 2.5.

Again with your wild guesses.

1.Then,if FA-50 could operate from roads,it is viable option
2.What World War? soviets do not have A bomb,night fighters,fighters capable of hurting B.29,and their air forces sucked so much,that germans used against them Ju87 during day till they had fuel.
Not mention,they need american trucks,trains and materials for making ammo to keep fighting.

And,people there waited for anybody who save them.All they need was to burn Moscov,and tell people that now land in kolchoz is theirs,they ony must kill party dudes.

Patton belived,that he would break soviets after week of fighting - probably that is why NKWD&Democrats killed hiom.

3.tell in next answer.

Ah, so perhaps "end of USA by 2040" in the same sense that "KGBstan killed Russia". I still don't buy it but it's less unbelievable than the USA actually ceasing to exist as a recognizable geopolitical entity by then.

Easy to explain -
1.KGBstan killed Russia - not true,soviets did it.They would do the same to polish nation,if they ruled 70 years and we do not have Catholic Church,but even now at least 25% op polish population are soveks.

That is why KGB mafia take easily over sovek there,and now are cosplaing as Mother Russia.Dunno why,people in West love soviets,not tsar.

2,End in 2040 - Debt of USA is increasing entire time,and in 2040 we woud get situation when USA could not more pay for that.
That is why China is so relaxed about USA - their bankers say so to them.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Russia died in 1917.

That's debatable in my opinion.

Though I won't debate that 1917 and what followed was the classic chronic illness of East Europe of "it was bad and then it got worse". And that's being generous.

 

[TheRejectionist]

2,End in 2040 - Debt of USA is increasing entire time,and in 2040 we woud get situation when USA could not more pay for that.
That is why China is so relaxed about USA - their bankers say so to them.

It is more that lots of the elites wanted to shag the working class so the offshored everything to China.

 

[Marduk]

1.Then,if FA-50 could operate from roads,it is viable option

Yup.

2.What World War? soviets do not have A bomb,night fighters,fighters capable of hurting B.29,and their air forces sucked so much,that germans used against them Ju87 during day till they had fuel.
Not mention,they need american trucks,trains and materials for making ammo to keep fighting.

But at that point they had those, and a shitload of troops. Sure, Americans could nuke a few cities... But they didn't have the numbers to stop them from taking over Europe if the war restarted.

And,people there waited for anybody who save them.All they need was to burn Moscov,and tell people that now land in kolchoz is theirs,they ony must kill party dudes.

It might have worked... Or not, it would be a big gamble.

 

[strunkenwhite]

KGBstan killed Russia - not true,soviets did it.

I stand corrected on what your position is on that subject.

End in 2040 - Debt of USA is increasing entire time,and in 2040 we woud get situation when USA could not more pay for that.
That is why China is so relaxed about USA - their bankers say so to them.

Oh, is that what you're worried about? The debt is a problem but it's not going to come to a head that soon unless interest rates double or triple from what they are now and stay at such a high level for a long time. That would put immense pressure on the USA's ability to continue servicing the debt. At low interest rates it's relatively easy even with such high levels of debt, which is part of how it got so bad to begin with.

If things continue as they have been going, eventually the debt will get to a point where cuts simply have to be made, despite the consequences, but the consequences will not be so dire as you seem to think. At least, not without the assistance of many other crises beyond the debt.

What World War? soviets do not have A bomb,night fighters,fighters capable of hurting B.29,and their air forces sucked so much,that germans used against them Ju87 during day till they had fuel.
Not mention,they need american trucks,trains and materials for making ammo to keep fighting.

And,people there waited for anybody who save them.All they need was to burn Moscov,and tell people that now land in kolchoz is theirs,they ony must kill party dudes.

Patton belived,that he would break soviets after week of fighting - probably that is why NKWD&Democrats killed hiom.

I suspect the Western Allies could have ultimately prevailed against the USSR if the two had immediately come to blows in the ashes of Nazi Germany, but it wouldn't have been nearly as easy as you seem to think. For one thing, in May 1945 the Americans didn't have the bomb either.

As for Patton ... what?

 

[Carrot of Truth]

2,End in 2040 - Debt of USA is increasing entire time,and in 2040 we woud get situation when USA could not more pay for that.
That is why China is so relaxed about USA - their bankers say so to them.

That would definitely not happen, They are way too invested in our debt. For instance we could just be like "Hey China we aren't gonna pay, What are you gonna do about it pussy?" Then the entire global scam collapses on itself overnight making near all money worthless.

 

[ATP]

Yup.

But at that point they had those, and a shitload of troops. Sure, Americans could nuke a few cities... But they didn't have the numbers to stop them from taking over Europe if the war restarted.

It might have worked... Or not, it would be a big gamble.

2.Soviets troops could not be replaced any more,and they need american trucks,trains and materials for ammo for fighting.
Add fact,that their air forces were shitty,and even good pilots could not engage B.17 becouse they operated at too high attitude for them.
All soviet logistic hub would be removed from Earth,and soviets could do nothing to stop it.
3.It would worked,slaves always run to those who could liberate them.Except janissaries,but they lived in luxury.In soviets it mean NKWD upper eschelons.Everybody else would run,when they undarstandt that they fight enemy who could not be destroyed.

I stand corrected on what your position is on that subject.

Oh, is that what you're worried about? The debt is a problem but it's not going to come to a head that soon unless interest rates double or triple from what they are now and stay at such a high level for a long time. That would put immense pressure on the USA's ability to continue servicing the debt. At low interest rates it's relatively easy even with such high levels of debt, which is part of how it got so bad to begin with.

If things continue as they have been going, eventually the debt will get to a point where cuts simply have to be made, despite the consequences, but the consequences will not be so dire as you seem to think. At least, not without the assistance of many other crises beyond the debt.

I suspect the Western Allies could have ultimately prevailed against the USSR if the two had immediately come to blows in the ashes of Nazi Germany, but it wouldn't have been nearly as easy as you seem to think. For one thing, in May 1945 the Americans didn't have the bomb either.

As for Patton ... what?

1.OK
2.That what China is beliving,not me.
3.There was no other germany then nazi germany,soviets need constant delivery of american trucks,trains and war materials to fai,and their air force could not stop B.17
And Patton was murdered by NKWD helped by Democrats.There is good book about that - Target Patton.

 

[strunkenwhite]

There was no other germany then nazi germany,soviets need constant delivery of american trucks,trains and war materials to fai,and their air force could not stop B.17
And Patton was murdered by NKWD helped by Democrats.There is good book about that - Target Patton.

Sure, but the point stands that the bomb wouldn't be available for a few months. And pulling the plug on aid would definitely be a problem for them eventually, but just because you cut off the start of a supply pipeline doesn't stop the rest of the stuff that's still in the pipe from flowing ... at least when the pipeline is metaphorical.

It would be a very rough few months for the allies before the bombs would start becoming available and even then it's not guaranteed that the soviets would surrender. It's simple historical fact that the western allies left Eastern Europe to its fate, but the alternative would have been much, much bloodier for the west than you seem to imagine.

As for Patton, even the author of that book apparently says there is no proof backing up his speculation.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

For 13th time, sensitive military information leaked on ‘War Thunder’

The post was quickly deleted, but restricted information is readily available elsewhere on the internet.

taskandpurpose.com

That got me to thinking the best way to get information of Chinese equipment is to start some arguments on War Thunders forums.

 

[ATP]

Sure, but the point stands that the bomb wouldn't be available for a few months. And pulling the plug on aid would definitely be a problem for them eventually, but just because you cut off the start of a supply pipeline doesn't stop the rest of the stuff that's still in the pipe from flowing ... at least when the pipeline is metaphorical.

It would be a very rough few months for the allies before the bombs would start becoming available and even then it's not guaranteed that the soviets would surrender. It's simple historical fact that the western allies left Eastern Europe to its fate, but the alternative would have been much, much bloodier for the west than you seem to imagine.

As for Patton, even the author of that book apparently says there is no proof backing up his speculation.

Douglas Bazata,who shot Patton,was OSS agent.And assasin who delivered poison was not polish,but NKWD.
Patton hide 1300 polish partisants who get there from soviets - they had reason to hate him.
And fear,becouse he knew that their army was shit.

Soviets wers as much 2nd world army then,as they are now.That is why they must win in hospital using agents.
And,if you think that one Patton officer could not be OSS or soviet agent,then you really do not knew how they operated.
They were shitty soldiers,but brilliant secret service.

About war - why wait for A bomb? B.17 would destroy soviet logistic hubs,and P.47 would destroy soviet artillery.
If soviet fighters try to intervene,they would drop bomb and schoot them.
When soviet heavy tanks advance,they would drop napalm bomb on them.

Soviets had numbers,but notching more.
Their tanks,except american and english,was shit and stop working after 2 weeks even if they were not destroyed.
Their artillery was not trained,so they need to be field in rows firing wheel by wheel - ideal target for USA planes and artillery.
Their infrantry,except parathropers,only knew how to attack in waves.

And,their fuel come from two refineries - Baku and Ploesti.USA B.17 would burn both in week,after that soviet could fight on horses.

Not mention,that they were slaves.They fought germans,becouse germans first murdered prisoners,and later was loosing.If americans keep winning and do not kill prisoners? they would mass surrender.

 

[Buba]

Now that Law&Justice (what a misnomer!) got the boot, Poland's military plans will be brought down to earth.
The late Govt's plans propaganda were 90% unrealistic, mostly involving the purchase of napkinwaffe using non-existing funds and manned by imaginary personell.
Remember, part of the military's growth in manpower numbers was due to pressing e.g. cafeteria waitresses into signing military contracts instead of civilian ones ... workplace - same, employer - same, but now they count as "soldiers" and the Gov't could sell "army expansion" to the gullible ...

Hence IMO 2024 will see the shelving or re-negotiation of purchases and the abandonment of creation of Divisions nos. 5 and 6. The latter simply are not possible without either conscription or ASB scale increases in recruitment.

 

[ATP]

Now that Law&Justice (what a misnomer!) got the boot, Poland's military plans will be brought down to earth.
The late Govt's plans propaganda were 90% unrealistic, mostly involving the purchase of napkinwaffe using non-existing funds and manned by imaginary personell.
Remember, part of the military's growth in manpower numbers was due to pressing e.g. cafeteria waitresses into signing military contracts instead of civilian ones ... worplace - saem, employer - same, but now they count as "soldiers" and the Gov't could sell "army expansion" to the gullible ...

Hence 2024 will see the shelving or re-negotiation of purchases and the abandonment of creation of Divisions nos. 5 and 6. The latter simply are not possible without either conscription or ASB increases in recruitment.

If Tusk take power?
No polish army,like in his times,and defense on Vistula river line.When Moscov stop licking their woulnds/5 year,maybe more/ they would partition Poland with germans again.


It would be end for Poland,BUT - Moscov is eaten by China and turks,and Germany colonized by muslims,so we still have some chance.
But - only thanks to their weakness,Tusk did everything he could to bury us.
I hope,that germans would gave him reward before their fall,he certainly deserved it.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Now that Law&Justice (what a misnomer!) got the boot, Poland's military plans will be brought down to earth.
The late Govt's plans propaganda were 90% unrealistic, mostly involving the purchase of napkinwaffe using non-existing funds and manned by imaginary personell.
Remember, part of the military's growth in manpower numbers was due to pressing e.g. cafeteria waitresses into signing military contracts instead of civilian ones ... workplace - same, employer - same, but now they count as "soldiers" and the Gov't could sell "army expansion" to the gullible ...

Hence IMO 2024 will see the shelving or re-negotiation of purchases and the abandonment of creation of Divisions nos. 5 and 6. The latter simply are not possible without either conscription or ASB scale increases in recruitment.

Purchasing ten thousand modern MLRS launchers did seem a bit much.

Any details on what exactly won't be purchased now?

 

[Buba]

Purchasing ten thousand modern MLRS launchers did seem a bit much.

Any details on what exactly won't be purchased now?

Too early to say.
Polish boards are divided as to the usefulness of what the late Gov't ordered/said it ordered.

 

[ATP]

Purchasing ten thousand modern MLRS launchers did seem a bit much.

Any details on what exactly won't be purchased now?

Sigh.Not 10.000,about 800-900.
If it depend on me,i would buy only Korean models,and 500 would be enough.

Too early to say.
Polish boards are divided as to the usefulness of what the late Gov't ordered/said it ordered.

If you mean tusk,then he want no polish army and Partition of Poland.Which could happen,but,since both Germany and Moscov are colonized by Turkey or Turkey and China,we should survive this time.
Well,we as nation.i probably would end in mass grave.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Too early to say.
Polish boards are divided as to the usefulness of what the late Gov't ordered/said it ordered.

By the way, how the fuck those EU bastards won the election and why the fuck the media talks like there is no way to stop it?

 

[ATP]

By the way, how the fuck those EU bastards won the election and why the fuck the media talks like there is no way to stop it?

Becouse not only germans,but USA supported our leftists.And entire media.
Not mention little fact,that ruling PIS keep shouthing about defending of freedom - but,in the end,always did what germans wonted.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Sigh.Not 10.000,about 800-900.
If it depend on me,i would buy only Korean models,and 500 would be enough.

I know. I was being hyperbolic. I posted about those epic purchases earlier.

If you mean tusk,then he want no polish army and Partition of Poland.Which could happen,but,since both Germany and Moscov are colonized by Turkey or Turkey and China,we should survive this time.
Well,we as nation.i probably would end in mass grave.

Well time to flee to Gallia. They're accepting volunteers.

 

[Batrix2070]

By the way, how the fuck those EU bastards won the election and why the fuck the media talks like there is no way to stop it?

In a nutshell, the Media Lies but from the beginning.

PiS won the elections, it is the largest party in the new Sejm, the problem is that it has fewer seats than before, it has not enough of them to govern on its own.

The opposition, on the other hand, collectively has more, but the problem is that in order to form a government it is all three main opposition parties that have to form a government together in a coalition, a heavily miraculous coalition. Such that it is enough that one of them does not like something and the coalition falls apart, unable to govern further, because each of them has fewer votes than PiS and two of them are not enough to form a government. Which is very possible because it is, in a nutshell, the Liberals, the Light Center-Right and the Left. Actually, the only thing they have in common is their dislike of PiS and they are divided by everything else.

If the world were normal, Law and Justice would simply pick a coalition partner from the opposition, and no one would be bullshitting about some opposition victory.

For to govern PiS needs only 41 seats, but the main opposition party that "won" as many as 78.

The facts are that Poland is facing a period of chaos and probably paralysis caused by an unstable government or a minority government. I would not be surprised to see new elections called in the Spring.

So, a great victory for the "democratic" opposition.