United States Minnesota; Man, George Floyd, dies during arrest, cause being a cop kneeling on his neck

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State ME. Private one was disqualified, and ruled out as Bias and false
Ok, well, that pretty much solidifies the fentynal theory, unless the defense gets the ME to flub something on the stand.

However, I still expect a manslaughter charge to stick.

Because unless the ME and defense can convince the jury that Chauvin's actions didn't have any effect on Floyd's condition, and that Chauvin's lack of action while Floyd was saying he couldn't breath were ok under the training and direction he was given, Chauvin is going to be seen as bearing at least partial responsibility for Floyd's death.
 

Zachowon

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Ok, well, that pretty much solidifies the fentynal theory, unless the defense gets the ME to flub something on the stand.

However, I still expect a manslaughter charge to stick.

Because unless the ME and defense can convince the jury that Chauvin's actions didn't have any effect on Floyd's condition, and that Chauvin's lack of action while Floyd was saying he couldn't breath were ok under the training and direction he was given, Chauvin is going to be seen as bearing at least partial responsibility for Floyd's death.
The defense will probably bring in a close combat instructor for the PD to testify they taught it at some point.
They did strike a juror who was trained differently in martial arts because he wouldn't be swayed.
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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What other political views? That people who resist arrest should be coerced?

"hurr durr Docsolaris is alt right"

Meanwhile the only Cop who actually committed a crime got off scotfree because he's what @Guy of Z refers too as an Orang zaru.png

tldr: The hmong guy tried to start a riot, Chauvin's hmong wife committed tax fraud and then framed him for it and both got away with their crimes because they're brown Asians. What's happening to Chauvin is a lynching and the fact that he's a shitty human being and a terrible cop doesn't negate that fact.
 

King Arts

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"hurr durr Docsolaris is alt right"

Meanwhile the only Cop who actually committed a crime got off scotfree because he's what @Guy of Z refers too as an Orang View attachment 598

tldr: The hmong guy tried to start a riot, Chauvin's hmong wife committed tax fraud and then framed him for it and both got away with their crimes because they're brown Asians. What's happening to Chauvin is a lynching and the fact that he's a shitty human being and a terrible cop doesn't negate that fact.
So I haven't been keeping up too much with this. But why is Chauvin a bad husband/human/cop?
 

The Immortal Watch Dog

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So I haven't been keeping up too much with this. But why is Chauvin a bad husband/human/cop?

He's not a bad husband, him and his wife co-conspired to defraud the state and commit income tax evasion and his wife was likely affiliated with local Hmong or Montagnard organized crime and when Chauvin got arrested she tweaked the paperwork and basically framed him for all of the corrupt shit they did as a couple.

If anything he's the victim of a malicious skeeze.

As to him being a bad cop, IIRC he's got a dozen excessive force complaints on him and I think he got looked into for taking bribes, but wasn't cleared.

He's a bad cop, but no more so than your average street cop in a Democrat Run City filled with rapefugees from Somalia. I'm just saying, him being terrible at his job doesn't make him a murderer. It just makes him an idiot who got screwed by his wife and the system.

Don't play coy.

Don't strawman.

The knee on his neck is nothing that isn't done commonly and has yet to result in any deaths from LEO use

Pretty much, if people want cops to be able to restrain drugged out lunatics without breaking something they should probably reinstate the stricter standards from forty years ago. Like I said, if a cop chokes someone to death, its usually because they were poorly trained and not physically strong enough to execute the move they executed and thus botch it.

That wasn't the case here.

I'll also point out, Special Needs kids are restrained by teachers literally forcing them onto the floor, between their legs. pulling their arms around their chest, tugging and then leaning down ontop of them compressing their chest/stomach to get them to stop, all over South America and that restraint method was the norm in the US until the early to mid 2000's.

If smothering a screeching kid with PTSD didn't result in mass deaths, sitting on a dude's shoulder and putting most of your weight on the knee kissing pavement ain't gonna cut it.
 
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Captain X

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Wow, he actually agrees with me for the most part, right down to it being better to put the knee on the upper shoulder than on the neck, and the complete lack of compassion shown by the officer in question.
 

Cherico

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Wow, he actually agrees with me for the most part, right down to it being better to put the knee on the upper shoulder than on the neck, and the complete lack of compassion shown by the officer in question.


I think this is a case of manslaughter not murder.
 

ShieldWife

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I think this is a case of manslaughter not murder.
I think that manslaughter is a stretch, but it’s not outside the realm of possibility. Murder, however, is.

I think that the guy in the video above got the two earlier cases wrong though. The police were in the wrong for killing of Breonna Taylor and it was good that her boyfriend was acquitted but alternatively George Zimmerman was justified in using lethal force to defend himself from Trayvon Martin.
 

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Innocent till proven guilty is important, on official levels.

However, till it is proven that it was solely the fentynal that killed Floyd, we have every reason to look at Chauvin as having caused, in whole or in part, Floyd's death.

And I am not going to let the media shitstorm around this and the riots afterwards skew my perspective of the event itself.

Maybe it will come out it was solely the fentynal that caused Floyd's death, but I am not betting on it.
What you are saying is "Dis pig guilty! Prove he's not!" Which is a brillant method to get your "Guilty" verdict, but not how american courts should be handled. Innocent until proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt, buddy.
 

Zachowon

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I think that manslaughter is a stretch, but it’s not outside the realm of possibility. Murder, however, is.

I think that the guy in the video above got the two earlier cases wrong though. The police were in the wrong for killing of Breonna Taylor and it was good that her boyfriend was acquitted but alternatively George Zimmerman was justified in using lethal force to defend himself from Trayvon Martin.
The cops were not in the wrong on the Taylor case.
They had multiple witnesses say that the cops called they were police, and knocked multiple times.
The bf shot blindly at the cops, hitting one, and if you shoot at a cop, they shoot back.
The BF used Taylor as a human shield more or less...
Officer Tatum has been on top of that case since ir happend, and I have seen most if the videos....


Again, cops are trained differently. Chauvin was in longer then Tatum and what he learned at the academy would be diffrent then what Tatum and more younger cops learned
 

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