United States Minnesota; Man, George Floyd, dies during arrest, cause being a cop kneeling on his neck

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The whole thing was filmed, with 3 other cops standing around and doing nothing to intervene. These four cops were fired, but it was apparently not enough as there are reports of riots in the city.

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Dude. Too soon. The riots aren't even over yet.
 
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This is one of those instances which makes me understand why some groups fear LEOs period, even if I think most cops are good people.

The fact the other cops did nothing is rather chilling, and frankly if I lived there, I'd probably be voting out all the LEO heads who allowed these type of fuckwits to wear a badge.
 

Abhorsen

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This is one of those instances which makes me understand why some groups fear LEOs period, even if I think most cops are good people.

The fact the other cops did nothing is rather chilling, and frankly if I lived there, I'd probably be voting out all the LEO heads who allowed these type of fuckwits to wear a badge.
Here is the basic problem with cops. Start with the Milgram Experiment, which shows that people will just follow orders, even if they disagree with them. Now self select for people who like authority and the rule of law. This is your pool of cops. Then filter by union blackballing people who make complaints about bad stuff happening, and add in an us-vs-them mentality. There is a real problem with cops, and they get away with far too much. It's not that most cops are good people, it's that most cops don't have to deal with a big moral dilemma, and are then assumed to be good, and of those who do face one, we usually don't hear about it.
 

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Police unions are a blight upon public service and accountability, and firing is literally the least that can or should be done. AG should be hopping all up on this as a murder as he would for any private citizen who did the same thing.
Whether he will seems an open question only leaning towards a 'yes'--and that pretty much exemplifies the problem with police conduct in these kinds of cases.
 

ShieldWife

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We don’t know the entire story here. Remember, we are dealing with the same media that demonized Nick Sandman when he was the victim of racist harassment. The same media who edited George Zimmerman’s phone call to make him sound racist. The same media which uses lies and propaganda to create this false narrative of widespread white one black killing.

Now, maybe this cop murdered the guy, maybe not. That is what we have trials for. We don’t assume guilt based on a few second video clip especially when the popular perception of such events are so systematically distorted by lies and half truths.
 

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We don’t know the entire story here. Remember, we are dealing with the same media that demonized Nick Sandman when he was the victim of racist harassment. The same media who edited George Zimmerman’s phone call to make him sound racist. The same media which uses lies and propaganda to create this false narrative of widespread white one black killing.

Now, maybe this cop murdered the guy, maybe not. That is what we have trials for. We don’t assume guilt based on a few second video clip especially when the popular perception of such events are so systematically distorted by lies and half truths.
This has nothing to do with the media. We can watch the video, and see what happened, and there is plenty of evidence there. There is no excuse for kneeling on someone's neck like that once the person is handcuffed, and he wasn't even resisting. That's murder, morally if not legally (cops get away with a lot of shit). We, as news consumers, can and should look at the evidence and make a reasoned rational decision, and wait for more information when that info is needed. But choosing to defer judgement until a jury trial (unless you are part of the jury) isn't a viable option nor is it the right decision when there is this much information available.
 
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The police know they will get away with most things, due to both the unions and the fact that juries and judges are predisposed to be sympathetic to them. Not to mention their superior officers will back them up 99% of the time.
 

ShieldWife

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This has nothing to do with the media. We can watch the video, and see what happened, and there is plenty of evidence there. There is no excuse for kneeling on someone's neck like that once the person is handcuffed, and he wasn't even resisting. That's murder, morally if not legally (cops get away with a lot of shit). We, as news consumers, can and should look at the evidence and make a reasoned rational decision, and wait for more information when that info is needed. But choosing to defer judgement until a jury trial (unless you are part of the jury) isn't a viable option nor is it the right decision when there is this much information available.
So, I guess when you’re sure we don’t need juries. Just go straight to the execution for any white person charged with killing a black one. That is the mentality the media pushes and unfortunately one that has been adopted even by many on this largely right wing forum. I’m not saying they are innocent, I am saying that we investigate and go through due process, not decide guilt or innocence with the mob or the lying press that influence them. By all means, have an investigation and a trial, but don’t pretend that you know the whole story because you don’t.
 

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So, I guess when you’re sure we don’t need juries. Just go straight to the execution for any white person charged with killing a black one. That is the mentality the media pushes and unfortunately one that has been adopted even by many on this largely right wing forum. I’m not saying they are innocent, I am saying that we investigate and go through due process, not decide guilt or innocence with the mob or the lying press that influence them. By all means, have an investigation and a trial, but don’t pretend that you know the whole story because you don’t.
Or maybe, just maybe, we are people with eyes who can see shit just fine and judge for ourselves.

You seem to be conflating us saying our opinions and us calling for an execution without trial.

We have plenty of reason to mistrust the media, particularly when it comes to issues related to race, but this case is rather cut and dry from what is publicly available to see.

I for one cannot imagine a situation that justifies kneeling on the neck of a man, for minutes, who is already in handcuffs.

You seem to think us not automatically siding with the cop, and using our own judgement/eyes is the same as, means we support: "Just go straight to the execution for any white person charged with killing a black one."

Edit: And it seems Trump agrees.
 
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