The problem is even asymptomatic people suffer from blood clots and lung damage.
So.you know, next time don't follow the line and use your head
United States Minnesota; Man, George Floyd, dies during arrest, cause being a cop kneeling on his neck
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The problem is even asymptomatic people suffer from blood clots and lung damage.
So.you know, next time don't follow the line and use your head
Which wasn't concluded by coroners, who I trust a hell of a lot more than you.
He could breathe just fine. His voice wasnt raspy or anything.
Him calling for momma is something Overdose patients do as well.
So is saying one cant breathe. Look at every arrest when someone gets taken to the ground ever
It's when they're quiet more than anything that you need to pay attention. Which is true for more than just grappling, people with internal bleeding are often too lethargic to howl in agony at a certain point, etc etc.
Mind you, I do think the guy's conduct during the video warrants some sort of sanction, but a fucking murder charge is preposterous.
Negligence or Manslaughter, MAX 3rd degree if there was some things we dont know. Definently not 2nd.
Like I said, either Ellison is pants on head level retarded, or he's honestly hoping a not guilty verdict causes even more riots.
Edit - to be clear this dude was juiced out of his mind and supposedly acting erratic and sorta schizo like..prior to the altercation. If body Cam footage backs that it might be difficult to even convict on Manslaughter.
Though again..the cops deliberately provoking the people filming makes the conduct actionable...But yeah, its gonna be hard for a jury in a city that just got put to the sword to convict cops if there's video evidence of the dude howling at street lights or something.
I am almost positive the later. Same with the DA in GA
You're probably right, though the DA in Georgia is, from what I'm hearing implicated in covering for human trafficking and corruption with social services. So that dude isn't even thinking at all, my guess in his case its less for political clout caused by riots and more due to desperation. "please, reelect me..look I got this man on deathrow"
Rolfe being hit with a capital charge is blatantly absurd, especially given Georgia has had problems with cops using too little force to deal with druggies in the past. There's been a few incidents of cops trying to reason with people twice their size on PCP or meth and getting their heads broke and their weapons confiscated.
For which naturally every police precinct in the state has been excoriated over...rightly so mind ye. But still, its kinda fucked up to badger officers into a frenzy, call tasers a lethal weapon and then...try to kill a guy for doing what you told him to do and taking a taser as a serious threat when you..said they were.
The Georgia one is far more clear cut though.
Either way, its a grotesque abuse of power to charge them the way they are being charged.
For the record, Ellison publically praised the Antifa Handbook a couple of years ago. He's a scumbag I can't stand. He still has a solid case on Chauvin, though, as all he has to do is show that Chauvin caused Floyd's death a little earlier than otherwise shown. The rest follows easily, and makes a 3rd degree (2nd is the stupid one).
The problem with the argument Immortal is putting through is that if we allow it to be true, and the jury buys it, they can't convict on Negligence or manslaughter either, as then Chauvin wouldn't have caused the death.
3rd is IMO the easiest to prove because of the two minutes of Chauvin kneeling on the guy's neck after being told he has no pulse.
They can still convict on negligence and manslaughter though, since his conduct at least exacerbated it and there's some legal precedent that says you can be convicted even if the other guy was fucked.
Mind ye, I think it's moot and he'll be found not guilty out of spite even if he like, skinned the dude alive on film.
Mind ye, I think it's moot and he'll be found not guilty out of spite even if he like, skinned the dude alive on film.
I watched a video of a Cop getting killed by an Armed vet because he had been told he drew his weapon to much, Tried to talk to guy down got shot, and then executed by the vet before he drove off.
The body cam apperently will not be released to the public from what I remember MPD telling the media. Why do you think they wont?
The hell!? I'm assuming he didn't know the guy was a vet? Thats an ugly situation if you know. On the one hand, its a guy who served his country and might be fucked up because of it. On the other. It's someone potentially wayyyy better trained than you are, probably in better shape and more than likely more experienced fighting armed enemies.
I'd hate to be in that situation. I don't like the idea of having to fire at a serviceman
Though, from how it ended it would have probably been better if he had fired.
You gotta wonder at what point does telling these guys to hesitate constitute criminal negligence?
Not that cops should shoot first they shouldn't but when you're dealing with a hulking methhead whose walking your partner around a parking lot by the ankle.
Someone should have probably fired already.
There are a lot more videos of stuff comparable to what you described than wrongful shootings.
I'm of the mind that neither are acceptable but the poor bastards being ordered to hold back or not being mentally conditioned to police duties holding back and getting themselves killed seems worse because then you have an armed rampaging whacko in the neighborhood
Because either there's clear evidence Floyd attacked them or his behavior was erratic enough anyone who sees it might be swayed to vote not guilty? That'd be my assumption.
And because Ellison is a wife beating jackass.
It was a crazy situation I did not describe it well enough
And yeah probably
Both all of the manslaughter laws include the term 'cause the death of', which is the same as the murder laws. Either Floyd caused the death, at which point it becomes 3rd degree most easily, or (as you argue) he didn't, then he can't be convicted of anything except maybe some sort of assault.
It'll be released if it is part of the trial. Generally, prosecutors don't want to release stuff to the public.
You see the one that looked like a benny hill skit? With this 7 foot autistic dude bouncing the cops out a Wendy's window and they just keep getting up and rushing back in?
I can't tell if thats bad training, over the top compassion on the part the cops or pressure from city hall.
Line for acceptable use of force is probably around the time Timmy rips the Frosty machine out of the ground though
There was the time it took like 5 or 6 maybe it was 8 officers in some city to subdue one man.
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
The Lefty bullshit the government has been pulling is making me think of going full ancap