United States Minnesota; Man, George Floyd, dies during arrest, cause being a cop kneeling on his neck

[Abhorsen]

He did not make it fqster...

The guy died while the full weight of Chauvin's knee was on his neck (Joe Rogan and Jocko? I think? did a quick analysis of the video, and you can tell that the full weight is on the neck). The man died while this was happening. An autopsy shows that this was caused by being unable to breathe, and another claims it was cardiac arrest complicating the compression of the neck. Both claimed it was a homicide.

 

[Zachowon]

The guy died while the full weight of Chauvin's knee was on his neck (Joe Rogan and Jocko? I think? did a quick analysis of the video, and you can tell that the full weight is on the neck). The man died while this was happening. An autopsy shows that this was caused by being unable to breathe, and another claims it was cardiac arrest complicating the compression of the neck. Both claimed it was a homicide.

One claimed it was from drugs and then changed when the politically motivated one did it...

 

[Big Steve]

One claimed it was from drugs and then changed when the politically motivated one did it...

IIRC the one that named drugs placed them as a contributing factor. I don't find that as changing much. It's like how if someone with a blood-thinning condition gets stabbed and bleeds to death because their condition causes their blood to not clot and reduce/stop the bleeding. The condition contributed, yeah, but the person wouldn't have died if they hadn't been stabbed in the first place.

Or are you trying to say Floyd would've died even if Chauvin hadn't put his knee on his neck for nine minutes?

 

[The One Char]

IIRC the one that named drugs placed them as a contributing factor. I don't find that as changing much. It's like how if someone with a blood-thinning condition gets stabbed and bleeds to death because their condition causes their blood to not clot and reduce/stop the bleeding. The condition contributed, yeah, but the person wouldn't have died if they hadn't been stabbed in the first place.

Or are you trying to say Floyd would've died even if Chauvin hadn't put his knee on his neck for nine minutes?

Dude had a lethal dose of fentanyl in him.
https://archive.vn/cEbtY

 

[Zachowon]

IIRC the one that named drugs placed them as a contributing factor. I don't find that as changing much. It's like how if someone with a blood-thinning condition gets stabbed and bleeds to death because their condition causes their blood to not clot and reduce/stop the bleeding. The condition contributed, yeah, but the person wouldn't have died if they hadn't been stabbed in the first place.

Or are you trying to say Floyd would've died even if Chauvin hadn't put his knee on his neck for nine minutes?

He would have died even without the knee

 

[Big Steve]

Dude had a lethal dose of fentanyl in him.
https://archive.vn/cEbtY

I've read the report. Where does it refer to the 11 ng/mL reading as "lethal"? The closest reference I noticed to this was the line "In fatalities from fentanyl, blood concentrations are variable and have been reported as low as 3 ng/mL". I don't find such a statement to be convincing to definitively say Floyd had a lethal dose of fentanyl.

 

[Zachowon]

I've read the report. Where does it refer to the 11 ng/mL reading as "lethal"? The closest reference I noticed to this was the line "In fatalities from fentanyl, blood concentrations are variable and have been reported as low as 3 ng/mL". I don't find such a statement to be convincing to definitively say Floyd had a lethal dose of fentanyl.

Fentanyl even in a very small dose can be. He also from what others pointed out would have died even without the knee

 

[Terthna]

Fentanyl even in a very small dose can be. He also from what others pointed out would have died even without the knee

Okay, but I don't see how that mitigates what the officer did.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Okay, but I don't see how that mitigates what the officer did.

It puts into question whether the officer's actions would actually have been lethal or if it was a legit hold and the guy happened to die while being held securely because his blood was half drugs by volume.

I'm not entirely sure I buy that reasoning myself, but I can understand the logic. I don't know enough about chokeholds or medications to have an informed opinion.

 

[Terthna]

It puts into question whether the officer's actions would actually have been lethal or if it was a legit hold and the guy happened to die while being held securely because his blood was half drugs by volume.

I'm not entirely sure I buy that reasoning myself, but I can understand the logic. I don't know enough about chokeholds or medications to have an informed opinion.

No it doesn't; the argument appears to be that he would have died soon anyways, so what does it matter that the cop killed him a little earlier? That what the cop did was lethal is not in dispute.

 

[Bear Ribs]

No it doesn't; the argument appears to be that he would have died soon anyways, so what does it matter that the cop killed him a little earlier? That what the cop did was lethal is not in dispute.

I'm pretty sure when Zachowon said "He did not make it fqster... " he was arguing that the knee wasn't lethal and didn't cause Floyd to die faster than the drugs that were already killing him.

 

[Terthna]

I'm pretty sure when Zachowon said "He did not make it fqster... " he was arguing that the knee wasn't lethal and didn't cause Floyd to die faster than the drugs that were already killing him.

It's a little unclear, to be honest; but if that's the case, then his argument makes little sense. The man was deprived of oxygen for nine minutes; the brain starts dying after at best five.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Fair enough, I'll let him clarify, as I said I don't feel qualified to have an opinion. It just looked to me like you were talking past each other and didn't understand each other's points.

 

[Zachowon]

Okay, but I don't see how that mitigates what the officer did.

He wasnt choking the man...

It's a little unclear, to be honest; but if that's the case, then his argument makes little sense. The man was deprived of oxygen for nine minutes; the brain starts dying after at best five.

The man was not depraved of oxygen. If he was he would not be able to say he couldnt breathe.
As someone who has been trained in similair holding methods (I dont think he should have had his knee on his neck, shoulder blades is better but back of neck is valid) and they dont make it so you cant breathe, they make it hard to breathe.

That is what I am getting at.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

He supposedly took a fatal dose of fentanyl and was in the early stages of heart failure.

The guy was gonna die no matter what Chauvin did.

Edit- my issue was with Chauvin's body language and the contemptuousness in his expressions. But Keith Elison is either a moron or deliberately trying to engineer even more riots if he thinks being a douche is grounds to convict a guy of murder when all he did was sit smuggly on a dude whose heart was about to explode.

No it doesn't; the argument appears to be that he would have died soon anyways, so what does it matter that the cop killed him a little earlier? That what the cop did was lethal is not in dispute.

The cop didn't kill him, Fentanyl did, he was literally a dead man walking. Chauvin could have high fived him and offered him a blanket and some soup and he would have still dropped dead.

the difference between him and the dude in Tampa beyond the skin color, was the Tampa dude had his neck compressed and his face driven into the ground. The technique was administered improperly either due to negligence or homicidal malice on the part of the cops (In that case, I'm inclined to believe they murdered the dude), but Floyd was done..period.

 

[Terthna]

He wasnt choking the man...

The man was not depraved of oxygen. If he was he would not be able to say he couldnt breathe.
As someone who has been trained in similair holding methods (I dont think he should have had his knee on his neck, shoulder blades is better but back of neck is valid) and they dont make it so you cant breathe, they make it hard to breathe.

That is what I am getting at.

I'm going to need a bit more to go off of than just your opinion that he could breath enough to not be deprived of oxygen.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I'm going to need a bit more to go off of than just your opinion that he could breath enough to not be deprived of oxygen.

He died from heart failure due to a drug overdose and lingering pulmonary damage from the Wuhan plague and preexisting heart failure.

No healthy man would have died from what Chauvin did to him, at best it\'s negligence given their prior history, you can maybe make a manslaughter beef out of it. But that's iffy and good luck getting a jury to convict over a piece of shit who held a gun to a pregnant woman's belly and asked her if she wanted him to perform a discount abortion.

 

[Abhorsen]

He died from heart failure due to a drug overdose and lingering pulmonary damage from the Wuhan plague and preexisting heart failure.

Evidence of this please? Because no coroner referenced damage from the WuFlu.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Evidence of this please? Because no coroner referenced damage from the WuFlu.

The man's health was an absolute catastrophe.

The man was done.

Chauvin was a moron and a bad cop, but that doesn't mean he's a murderer.

 

[Abhorsen]

The man's health was an absolute catastrophe.

The man was done.

Chauvin was a moron and a bad cop, but that doesn't mean he's a murderer.

This specifically states he was probably asymptomatic from Covid. So next time read your sources, instead of claiming Covid had an effect on his health.