CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
You guys in the USA will have a very confused Left, like how much do POC think of women and LGBT?
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You guys in the USA will have a very confused Left, like how much do POC think of women and LGBT?
Lanmandragon
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Hispanics are a pretty traditional people. To the point of having the eldest son as head of the family. That's been my experience anyway. There's also a pretty large amount of "homophobia" from what I've seen. This is way off topic though.
ShieldWife
Marchioness
All of the dangers that people have mentioned here are real and they suck. MGTOW isn’t the answer though, that is just going to lead to less happiness in your own life and a more rapid decline of Western civilization.
The only way things can improve is for more healthy relationships to develop between men and women and for them to have kids who will in turn be positively influenced by their parents’ good example. This means that you red pilled guys need to go out there and red pill some women.
I agree with most of what Lanmandragon says regarding gender issues, though I disagree on one point. I don’t think that women can fix this issue, I think that men are going to have to. Even having been indoctrinated with feminism from birth, women still admire strong men who stand up for themselves, who pass the “shit test” as it were. I would be willing to bet that most guys who get accused of rape or sexual harassment aren’t the most bold and sexually aggressive men, but more timid guys. That sucks and is unfair, but it is the reality of our situation.
Women aren’t going to change this on their own, because women are naturally submissive they are going to follow those in their lives who have authority, seem powerful, who command respect. Unfortunately, modern leftist society has made the men in the typical woman’s life less like this and so has replaced the husband or father as a woman’s master with big left wing institutions like the government, universities, or media. So I actually think that it’s going to take men being strong to lead women out of the metaphorical wilderness.
The only way things can improve is for more healthy relationships to develop between men and women and for them to have kids who will in turn be positively influenced by their parents’ good example. This means that you red pilled guys need to go out there and red pill some women.
I agree with most of what Lanmandragon says regarding gender issues, though I disagree on one point. I don’t think that women can fix this issue, I think that men are going to have to. Even having been indoctrinated with feminism from birth, women still admire strong men who stand up for themselves, who pass the “shit test” as it were. I would be willing to bet that most guys who get accused of rape or sexual harassment aren’t the most bold and sexually aggressive men, but more timid guys. That sucks and is unfair, but it is the reality of our situation.
Women aren’t going to change this on their own, because women are naturally submissive they are going to follow those in their lives who have authority, seem powerful, who command respect. Unfortunately, modern leftist society has made the men in the typical woman’s life less like this and so has replaced the husband or father as a woman’s master with big left wing institutions like the government, universities, or media. So I actually think that it’s going to take men being strong to lead women out of the metaphorical wilderness.
No, no you do not want us to solve this problem.
As far as Im concerned feminism was some thing women created and its something their going to have to fix. Men do a pretty damned good job at regulating our crazies and assholes for the most part. Its up to women to regualte their crazies.
And don't tell me women cant do that, I have two sisters I know for a fact you guys are great at shunning people, and causing drama for girls who fuck things up for every one.
Fleiur
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I think not in the near future. Majority of us still values our family and faith.
ShieldWife
Marchioness
A minority of women who oppose feminism can’t shun the majority who like it. Women can enforce societal norms quite well, but once things have gone awry as they have now, women just use their social pressure to enforce the dysfunction.
Really, I think we all, men and women, should do what they can to improve relations between men and women and combat the pernicious effects of feminism. I’m not encouraging anybody to sit on their butts and wait for others to make things better. I just happen to think that our greatest hopes lies with men, not women.
Lanmandragon
Well-known member
I'd say the opposite but we largley agree.
No offense, but it's not based on fear but on a healthy sense of self preservation based on facts.
Have you seen the statistics? That's a legitimate concern. Especially when close to 80 percent of divorce is initiated by the woman with upward of that percentage paying child support and alimony for years on end. About 1 in 4 of those men are paying child support for children they didn't even father. Even with DNA evidence that proves they're not the father and that they were deceived they are still mandated by the family court system to pay or enjoy life in prison until they cough up the money, one way or another. This is literal economic Slavery, but its painted up nicely as something else. But the family court system routinely violates the civil rights of men. How is it that Lawyers in Family courts are the highest paid? How is it Feminists dominate family court and essentially have carte blanche to do as they please and forcefully extract resources from men while denying then access to their children?
And its often the wife that does this at the behest of her lawyer. A wife can quite literally say her Husband beat her, raped her and or she fears for her safety. All with no evidence. And his life is over. This is the power women have and have always had.
Then came #MeeToo and things have only gotten worse. Now that's not to say all women do this or are like this. But what are the odds you've found a good one compared to one who isn't so good.
Look up Coach Greg Adams in the link below. The research he's done and the statistics he's researched and shown are eye opening to say the least.
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Now for men in General I recommend reading the Ration Male by Rolo Tomassi.
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The Rational Male is the exclusive YouTube channel of Rollo Tomassi, author of The Rational Male series of books and the blog of the same name. Here you'll h...
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CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Isn’t there something illegal about recording conversations without consent
Western civilization is already in decline, and the thing the MGTOW way offers (at least the rational part of it) is entirely about allowing men to lead happy lives on their own by focusing on things that make them happy.
Basically impossible. The types who need to be "red-pilled" are exactly the types who won't listen to a man about anything, and most of them won't even listen to other women, they'll simply say that such women suffer from "internalized misogyny" and treat them essentially like traitors. In the meantime, relationships in general are a pretty big risk, and for those of us who have seen the misfortune of others, there are a lot of incentives to not even bother.
Yeah right, they'll just screech about getting "mansplained" to, and make it out like they're being harassed or some bullshit like that. Other women are the only ones who can really turn this around, because they are living proof against the narrative the social justice types like to repeat over and over again. And really society as a whole, and the government in particular, needs to start standing up to these people and actually enforcing all of these anti-discrimination laws we have on the books.Given some of the other things you've said, I can't help but think you're projecting a bit here.
ShieldWife
Marchioness
Yes, Western civilization is in decline and we want to stop that right? Men going their own way isn't going to help stop that decline, it will only speed it along. Also, I can't speak for everybody, but I suspect that most men aren't going to be happy to live like monks, unless they actually have that religious dedication to motivate the monastic lifestyle. It's not like avoiding women is even going to be that easy these days anyway. Men who work are still going to have female coworkers who can exploit these issues to get ahead or hurt their rivals, even if guys completely leave them alone.
Keeping your head down and avoiding danger isn't actually even that safe when society is getting worse, all that it takes for evil to thrive is for good men to do nothing, as the saying goes.
The women who need to be red pilled aren't the fanatics. You're not going to red pill Trigglypuff. The women that men can influence are going to be the moderates, who aren't feminist fanatics but are still under the influence of today's dominant leftist society. There are other females whose minds can be changed - little girls. Little boys too for that matter. Which is why it's so important for conservatives, especially smart ones, to have kids who they can instill good values into.
Once again, hard core feminists aren't going to change. You don't want to date them anyway. Moderates though, they are a different matter. You don't just walk up to random women and explain why feminism is bad. You hang out with women who are decent people, you have conversations with them, you respectfully but confidently express your opinions, over time you make a difference. Especially if it is a woman you are dating and who has an interest in you.
Am I projecting? I don't think so but it's possible. I suppose any time anyone makes broad generalizations about society they probably include some of their own biases and emotional baggage. I do admit that I was left leaning before meeting my husband and over time I became a right winger in large part because of his influence. All of us are products of our environment and I admit that if I had different people in my life I might have turned out differently, even to the point of having different fundamental beliefs about the world. That idea likely extends to most people even if they don't like to admit it.
Really, in the scheme of things, my beliefs run really counter to most of what I was taught growing up and from the influence of most of my peers. I've still been influenced though, as we all likely have.
When I make sweeping statements about women conforming to authority, I do so more based on my observations of society, where women are far more likely to parrot those viewpoints shown on TV, by university professors, by teachers, by celebrities, by their peers, and so on. Most people who have unpopular beliefs, whose ideology runs counter to authority figures in those people's lives, they tend to be men. Very often when I encounter women with alternative and/or unpopular beliefs, there is at least the influence of some relatively strong willed man with a similar belief be it a father, friend, or husband. Am I letting my biases influence my beliefs on this? Probably so, how can anyone not? But I try to think of my own life as but a single data point among numerous other observations and the observations of others who I trust.
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It depends on the State. In South Carolina civilians can wear a Body Cam. I asked an Officer at SLED today and they confirmed it.
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So, has anyone here who is so upset about society ever been to a barn dance or joined a local Elks Club chapter? Volunteered in an organisation which has lots of other people of your own age?
Yeah, I didn’t think so.
We could play a game of cherry-picked anecdotes for years.
I agree with @Edgeplay_cgo , @Sailor.X and @Lanmandragon. Go get up, get a job, and turn off your computer and socialise. These men are all wise and have experience. In the war of anecdotes nobody wins; I can prove that women have it far worse than men with the standards of evidence presented here.
So don’t bother.
The reality is that tens of millions of people in western countries have happy marriages. And if you’re not happy here, move somewhere more traditional: Work an oil rig in Brasil or Angola.
Yeah, I didn’t think so.
We could play a game of cherry-picked anecdotes for years.
I agree with @Edgeplay_cgo , @Sailor.X and @Lanmandragon. Go get up, get a job, and turn off your computer and socialise. These men are all wise and have experience. In the war of anecdotes nobody wins; I can prove that women have it far worse than men with the standards of evidence presented here.
So don’t bother.
The reality is that tens of millions of people in western countries have happy marriages. And if you’re not happy here, move somewhere more traditional: Work an oil rig in Brasil or Angola.
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
Yeah i don't plan on getting married, to deal with an ungrateful wife and annoying children leaching off my money.
Whitestrake Pelinal
Like a dream without a dreamer
Legal in some states, illegal in others.
Recording Phone Calls and Conversations: 50-State Survey
A survey of the electronic recording and eavesdropping laws of the 50 US states and DC, including how many parties must consent to the recording, with links to relevant case law and statutes.
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I do not think surveillance like this is a part of a healthy long term relationship. Okay for men who are strictly pursuing short term relationships for pleasure and entertainment, I suppose, but I also think promiscuity is a terrible idea in general.
Lanmandragon
Well-known member
I'm well aware of the statistics and danger involved. Still less dangerous than going into the wild after a Mammoth. Still less dangerous than going to Massachusetts on a leaky little boat. Etc I understand fully why they would react the way they do. I just can't bring myself to respect the decsion.No offense, but it's not based on fear but on a healthy sense of self preservation based on facts.
Have you seen the statistics? That's a legitimate concern. Especially when close to 80 percent of divorce is initiated by the woman with upward of that percentage paying child support and alimony for years on end. About 1 in 4 of those men are paying child support for children they didn't even father. Even with DNA evidence that proves they're not the father and that they were deceived they are still mandated by the family court system to pay or enjoy life in prison until they cough up the money, one way or another. This is literal economic Slavery, but its painted up nicely as something else. But the family court system routinely violates the civil rights of men. How is it that Lawyers in Family courts are the highest paid? How is it Feminists dominate family court and essentially have carte blanche to do as they please and forcefully extract resources from men while denying then access to their children?
And its often the wife that does this at the behest of her lawyer. A wife can quite literally say her Husband beat her, raped her and or she fears for her safety. All with no evidence. And his life is over. This is the power women have and have always had.
Then came #MeeToo and things have only gotten worse. Now that's not to say all women do this or are like this. But what are the odds you've found a good one compared to one who isn't so good.
Look up Coach Greg Adams in the link below. The research he's done and the statistics he's researched and shown are eye opening to say the least.
CoachGregAdams
Welcome to the Coach Greg Adams YouTube Channel CHANNEL SCHEDULE: Mondays - Monday Night Red Pills: 3:00PM PST (6:00PM EST) Tuesdays - Studio Video Wednesday...
Now for men in General I recommend reading the Ration Male by Rolo Tomassi.
Rollo Tomassi
The Rational Male is the exclusive YouTube channel of Rollo Tomassi, author of The Rational Male series of books and the blog of the same name. Here you'll h...
Whitestrake Pelinal
Like a dream without a dreamer
A man should not categorically refuse risk, but.. he should also measure risk against reward. Part of the whole MGTOW situation is that risks have been greatly increased at the same time as rewards have been decreased. Sometimes not in obvious ways, either.
Frex: In a healthy society, part of the reward for a man who does the work to make himself marriageable and provide for a family is the knowledge that he is fulfilling an important obligation. Doing his part to continue something larger than himself, a line that existed long before he did, and Lord willing will exist long after he passes. But, modern society does not ascribe to this idea, and does not teach it to boys. White boys in particular are propagandized to think poorly of our ancestors and reject our lineage, to 'be one of the good ones'. As a consequence, in the eyes of many young men, this reward does not exists.
There are more than a few ways in which the rewards for pursuing marriage have been decreased. I do not think less of a man for refusing to take a risk when he does not believe there is a credible likelihood of commensurate reward.
I was suggesting it for the irrationally paranoid guys that seem to be out there. Key word Irrationally paranoid.Legal in some states, illegal in others.
Recording Phone Calls and Conversations: 50-State Survey
A survey of the electronic recording and eavesdropping laws of the 50 US states and DC, including how many parties must consent to the recording, with links to relevant case law and statutes.
I do not think surveillance like this is a part of a healthy long term relationship. Okay for men who are strictly pursuing short term relationships for pleasure and entertainment, I suppose, but I also think promiscuity is a terrible idea in general.
hyperspacewizard
Well-known member
Why? I was born here I was raised here why should I leave why is complaining and raising valid points and showing real injustice wrong I love my country but it has a bunch of sicknesses.
Why is it that you can make sweeping generalizations and be justified mgtow is the same as going on strike if you have enough strikers maybe people will come to the negotiating table will it work who knows but the effort should be made.
And to those saying to man up and be alpha be confident etc etc that’s asking someone to walk through a minefield.