MGTOW Opinion

ShieldWife

Marchioness
I don’t mind them, the complaints are generally justified and their reaction is understandable. I’ve actually received some really nasty comments from some MGTOW’s, but I don’t blame them all for that and I realize that the state of dating and romance for men these days can be kind of grim.

All that being said, I don’t agree with the ultimate goals of MGTOW. The purpose of going on strike should be to improve your working conditions, not be out of work forever. Society functions because men and women coexist, they work together on different complimentary roles to keep civilization alive and preferably improve it. If MGTOW is too successful, it would be calamitous.

There is also an element within MGTOW that is like a gender flipped version of feminists. With guys whining about how men have been oppressed through the ages and playing the victim. Now, some of these complaints may be valid, but emulating the feminist victim mindset is no more healthy for men than it is for women, it further divides the sexes, and it doesn’t work anyway because people are naturally much less sympathetic to men whining than women whining.
 
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Cherico

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My opinion


We have a secular male celibacy movement.

Do you have any idea how badly you have to fuck up for that to not only happen but to have it exist but keep growing?

And no shaming them isn't going to work, deplatforming them wont work because their a symptom of how badly we have fucked up as a society and culture. The only way to deal with it means either reforming or completely destroying our family courts and it means that we are going to have to create a newer fairer social contract between men and women.

Because the boomers destroyed the one we used to have.

And dear god that is not going to be fun at all.
 

Erwin_Pommel

Well-known member
I don't mind them but I can't help but feel like they're detrimental in the long run as they're fracturing the concept of a nuclear family even more. Of course, the nuclear family either needs to evolve with the changes to the gender demographics in the workforce or it needs to be forced back into place to combat the rising lack of replacement births we're getting. I also fear that the movement itself, while founded on reasonable principles like bringing equality to the divorce courts, actively enflames the issue by making what has shown itself several times to be an echo chamber of resentful people. Needs a little cooling down IMO, but ultimately, not too much of a bad thing, for now.
 
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Lanmandragon

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Everyone I've ever talked to came off as fundamentally cowardly. Saying things like "she might divorcerape me". Which is a position based entirely on fear. That digusts me at a visceral level. Of course that may just be leftists misrepresentation of reality. I've never had the desire to look further into it. As getting and controlling women is something that's always come naturally to me. So with current information "cowardly betas". While reservering the right to change my opinion based on new information.
 

ShieldWife

Marchioness
There an old saying, from Miguel Cervantes I think, that goes “Faint heart never won fair maid.”

To a large degree that is true. In the past, men had to go out and hunt mammoths, fight against rival tribes, or endure extremes of the elements. Now we have feminists, divorce courts, rape accusations, and so on. Scary, but not as scary as things men of the past did to get a girl.

Men can’t emulate feminism because while people show sympathy to women acting weak, which is what feminism is, people aren’t sympathetic to weak men. To regain society’s respect, men are going to have to do it by being strong, not by being weak.
 

almostinsane

Well-known member
I can understand where they are coming from. Feminism fucks things up for everyone. However, they need to stop generalizing women as harpies out to get them, however. That just makes them reverse feminists which, somehow, is even sadder coming from men. They need to focus on self improvement and growth. That way, they'll attract the right kind of women or have the confidence not to go bitching about women on the internet.

Honestly, the solution to feminism is a return to the nuclear family instead of having women depend on big daddy government forever.

As for divorce, well, there are ways to fight back on that front. @Fleiur Divorce me, babe, and I will find a lot of ways to fuck you up in the process. :p
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
I can understand where they are coming from. Feminism fucks things up for everyone. However, they need to stop generalizing women as harpies out to get them, however. That just makes them reverse feminists which, somehow, is even sadder coming from men. They need to focus on self improvement and growth. That way, they'll attract the right kind of women or have the confidence not to go bitching about women on the internet.

They also need to be able to tell when a woman is not someone they should get close to, lest they end up in a relationship where she is the abuser and manipulator
 

Captain X

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Osaul
They have a lot of good points about how the scale has tipped too far in the other direction, but there's an element to them that is every bit as bad as the stereotypical man-hating feminists which I feel undermines everything they say, at least as far as getting any reform done. I don't really dislike them as much as feminists, but it is pretty fun watching them fight each other. ;)
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
They have a lot of good points about how the scale has tipped too far in the other direction, but there's an element to them that is every bit as bad as the stereotypical man-hating feminists which I feel undermines everything they say, at least as far as getting any reform done. I don't really dislike them as much as feminists, but it is pretty fun watching them fight each other. ;)



I think there’s a difference between MGTOW and MRA though, course I think both would in the end choose to isolate themselves from the opposite sex
 

MementoMori

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I'm really not looking forward to the return swing of the pendulum.
Europe is already feeling it so men checking out of Society is the least of my worries, at least they are not burning it down.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
I'm really not looking forward to the return swing of the pendulum.
Europe is already feeling it so men checking out of Society is the least of my worries, at least they are not burning it down.

They will be blamed for it being burnt down, even if all they do is stay away and be those basement dwelling losers they have been villified to be
 

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