MGTOW Opinion

[bullethead]

I'm pretty okay with MGTOW, although one could argue that, based on an objective external assessment of my personality and life, I am one. I dunno if cramming people whose capacity to care about social interaction is lower than average and/or don't have any real drive to engage in the performative aspects of romance counts.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if the power combo of introversion + moving often (for whatever reason) is straight up a recipe for killing any drive to date, especially once you get out of college.

 

[Edgeplay_cgo]

Sounds, to me, like a club for losers.

 

[Whitestrake Pelinal]

What is your guys opinion MGTOW. Personally i don't mind them

I don't mind the ideas, I am a bachelor and expect I will remain one.

I think poorly of the movement. I have not observed self-identified MGTOWs to have achieved anything of note and their communities tend to be giant pity parties. They also seem to spend an awful lot of time frothing over real and perceived misdeeds of women while simultaneously claiming loudly that they are 'going their own way'. They do not appear to have gone far.

I understand what TRP and MRAs are trying to achieve, they have actual goals. MGTOW does not.

 

[hyperspacewizard]

What most of you guys are describing when it comes to the anger and such has a name in the mgtow community it’s called the red pilled rage. A man realizes or experiences how screwed up society has become and how much things are stacked against him as a man and he becomes frustrated and angry it’s a transitional period after awhile most men chill out and go monk focusing on hobbies or self improvement.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

What most of you guys are describing when it comes to the anger and such has a name in the mgtow community it’s called the red pilled rage. A man realizes or experiences how screwed up society has become and how much things are stacked against him as a man and he becomes frustrated and angry it’s a transitional period after awhile most men chill out and go monk focusing on hobbies or self improvement.

Somehow, I can see either as more self-fulfilling than chasing after a lady likely to screw them over or not get along with

If they just go for hobbies though, I can see that being used as a mark against them or to call them losers somehow

 

[hyperspacewizard]

I mean I got the police called on me accusing me of trying to incite a riot or violence after telling a busy body women to fuck off and walking away. I seen several men who will never see their kids again because family court is a joke. Mgtow is people refusing to play Russian roulette

 

[Sailor.X]

I can understand where they are coming from. Feminism fucks things up for everyone. However, they need to stop generalizing women as harpies out to get them, however. That just makes them reverse feminists which, somehow, is even sadder coming from men. They need to focus on self improvement and growth. That way, they'll attract the right kind of women or have the confidence not to go bitching about women on the internet.

Honestly, the solution to feminism is a return to the nuclear family instead of having women depend on big daddy government forever.

As for divorce, well, there are ways to fight back on that front. @Fleiur Divorce me, babe, and I will find a lot of ways to fuck you up in the process.

To be quite honest. Many of these guys it's their own damn fault.

1: Did they try to find a Woman with a good moral center. Most of the time they are not even thinking about that. They are going off of looks only.

2: Did they pay attention to the Woman's regular daily behavior. Most of the time they just brush it off and not take into account that they are putting up and act. Because a persons true nature will always show in a relationship that is several months old.

3: Did they heed the advice of Friends and Family that had misgivings about the woman they were dating. More often than not they get stubborn and defensive about it.

These 3 things is what I have seen over and over again happen to people I know. And it is what these MgTows need to do a hard introspection over.

 

[hyperspacewizard]

To be quite honest. Many of these guys it's their own damn fault.

1: Did they try to find a Woman with a good moral center. Most of the time they are not even thinking about that. They are going off of looks only.

2: Did they pay attention to the Woman's regular daily behavior. Most of the time they just brush it off and not take into account that they are putting up and act. Because a persons true nature will always show in a relationship that is several months old.

3: Did they heed the advice of Friends and Family that had misgivings about the woman they were dating. More often than not they get stubborn and defensive about it.

These 3 things is what I have seen over and over again happen to people I know. And it is what these MgTows need to do a hard introspection over.

So if a man is screwed over by a woman’s actions it’s the mans fault for not picking the right woman flip the genders in your statement is it still something you would agree with? Woman can be lying manipulating people just like men but people can’t admit that women have just as much autonomy as men

 

[Sailor.X]

So if a man is screwed over by a woman’s actions it’s the mans fault for not picking the right woman flip the genders in your statement is it still something you would agree with? Woman can be lying manipulating people just like men but people can’t admit that women have just as much autonomy as men

Anyone can learn how to read body language. Anybody can learn to listen to people who are close friends and relatives who are saying I don't know if she is the right fit. I am almost 50 years old. I have seen tons of successful marriages and I have seen tons of marriages that were dumpster fires. What I listed above in the previous post is what I have observed over the years. In each case those three things always come up. Take my advice or not it is up to those who want to do a long hard look at their own decisions.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I mean I got the police called on me accusing me of trying to incite a riot or violence after telling a busy body women to fuck off and walking away. I seen several men who will never see their kids again because family court is a joke. Mgtow is people refusing to play Russian roulette

I’d like to see the police being called to investigate a club or group of adult male friends who engage in a harmless hobby like reading Robert E. Howard’s books together

 

[hyperspacewizard]

Im not saying what your putting down is worthless or incorrect but it’s an incomplete picture of the situation as it is now.
I’ve seen many a man get utterly screwed in divorce courts or in the court of public opinion where there is no due process your life is just over. Not to be too on the nose but a lot of people blame the victims of the crimes of theses bad women. Look at the numbers for women being sentenced for crimes look at the punishment for crimes when the criminal is a woman. A lot of mgtow people that I listen and talk to our sons of single mothers who watched how their moms destroyed their fathers or never had one growing up. Mgtow is like all movements that have no real leader and little rules or dogma it’s got its crazies and it’s moderates. A lot of it comes down to a cost benefits analysis and when even just touching a girls shoulder and talking her can get you accused of a crime how are you supposed to find this “right” woman?

 

[Duke Nukem]

Im not saying what your putting down is worthless or incorrect but it’s an incomplete picture of the situation as it is now.
I’ve seen many a man get utterly screwed in divorce courts or in the court of public opinion where there is no due process your life is just over. Not to be too on the nose but a lot of people blame the victims of the crimes of theses bad women. Look at the numbers for women being sentenced for crimes look at the punishment for crimes when the criminal is a woman. A lot of mgtow people that I listen and talk to our sons of single mothers who watched how their moms destroyed their fathers or never had one growing up. Mgtow is like all movements that have no real leader and little rules or dogma it’s got its crazies and it’s moderates. A lot of it comes down to a cost benefits analysis and when even just touching a girls shoulder and talking her can get you accused of a crime how are you supposed to find this “right” woman?

Not to mention all of the false rape accusations

 

[CarlManvers2019]

how are you supposed to find this “right” woman?

There is no definite answer and we have to live with the fact that even with people’s ability to use reason and logic, they may either not use it or that others aren’t using it and the fact that people’s reason and logic are incomplete or don’t see enough factors

Crom gives you the strength to live and endure, nothing else, though that strength may include one’s own intelligence, you are not and never truly invincible.....life is not perfect or always easily predictable but you will have to try and get through it when your life is shitted on....or commit suicide or become a NEET

Though, the latter may not be a permanent solution either, as they may come after you still

 

[Sailor.X]

A lot of it comes down to a cost benefits analysis and when even just touching a girls shoulder and talking her can get you accused of a crime how are you supposed to find this “right” woman?

Dude where are you hanging out that you run into women like that on the regular. Another word of advice. Don't go to Clubs to pickup women. Don't try to date them in College. Don't try to pick them up at the beach. Just strike up normal conversations with women on mundane things. How they answer basic boring things can give you good incite into how their minds work. You can over the coarse of a few months talking with women you see on a regular basis out in town. Who the crazy bitch is, Who the Slut is. Who the woman with self respect and honor is. And who the...........weird chick is. Finding the right woman takes time and patient observation.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Finding the right woman takes time and patient observation.

Go look for friends before finding lovers.

 

[Sailor.X]

Go look for friends before finding lovers.

Indeed. Every woman I have dated I knew for a long time and vetted pretty much. And the women I interact with are all good natured people. No Slut, Bitches or Crazy Bitches.

 

[hyperspacewizard]

Dude where are you hanging out that you run into women like that on the regular. Another word of advice. Don't go to Clubs to pickup women. Don't try to date them in College. Don't try to pick them up at the beach. Just strike up normal conversations with women on mundane things. How they answer basic boring things can give you good incite into how their minds work. You can over the coarse of a few months talking with women you see on a regular basis out in town. Who the crazy bitch is, Who the Slut is. Who the woman with self respect and honor is. And who the...........weird chick is. Finding the right woman takes time and patient observation.

All great advice but when even just started conversation can ruin you anymore your options dry up. There was a kid in England who literally talked to a girl once and had to go to court there are men in work places who maybe even refused a woman’s advances and lost there jobs.
It comes down to the fact that woman are a protect class they are the nobles of this era and as a man your a peasant and as a woman she can call on any other man around an expect a least a few to “help” her. There’s a real power imbalance here my dudes that needs addressing

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Indeed. Every woman I have dated I knew for a long time and vetted pretty much. And the women I interact with are all good natured people. No Slut, Bitches or Crazy Bitches.

Also, just to clarify, look for friends who really will stick with you but also be able to call you out when you are being a douche and ones you can call out for being a douche as well

 

[hyperspacewizard]

Look another thing that “scares” mgtows but really they are just aware of the danger is white knights if a woman over reacts or lies another man may threaten you or actually attack you it’s a thing that happens

 

[CarlManvers2019]

Look another thing that “scares” mgtows but really they are just aware of the danger is white knights if a woman over reacts or lies another man may threaten you or actually attack you it’s a thing that happens

And said white knight will get away with it and even brag about it