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Skallagrim
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HANS? DER FLAMMENWERFER! SOFORT!
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Sadly listeria outbreaks are a thing, and raw milk is way more susceptible to it.
There should be a way for private farmers to get the equipment to pasteurize the milk. Yes, permits and health inspections are a pain, but so are food poisoning outbreaks, even from private sellers.
The cottage industry crowd need to realize that they are not exempt from food or health regs, when they begin selling their product instead of consuming it themselves.
If they want to sell excess milk, local wholesalers/dairies are a thing.
If you don't want raw milk because you are afraid of the risks, don't buy it. But you should be able to buy it.
Skallagrim
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What are you talking about?
Just use common sense here. If people want to buy something, they can. And food controls are fine. There should be a label for that. And you should be free to decide whether you want to buy food with that label... or whether you want to buy something unlabeled "at your own risk and discretion".
If you suffer bad consequences from the latter decision, that's your own problem. No insurance will cover it, either.
But it should be your choice.
Yes, from licensed dairies and people who pass health inspections.
Raw milk can be safe, but trying to sell it without the proper inspections and permits is frowned upon for good reason.
Health inspectors permits and clearances for selling perishable food goods to the public exist for a reason.
Raw milk can be done safely, but without health inspector certification and permits, don't expect to be able to sell to the public.
Health codes for perishable products sold to the public exist for the same reason fire codes and earthquake codes for buildings exist.
Skallagrim
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You're not presenting an argument here. You're saying "it is the way it is because it is the way it is, don't expect it to be otherwise, because it's like it is."
That's recursive.
My point is that there's a good reason for health inspections and standards, but no good reason for those being mandatory. You should be free to choose whether you only buy "checked" stuff, or whether you voluntarily choose to buy "unchecked" stuff-- the latter fully at your own risk.
That's, you know... freedom of choice. Coupled with full responsibility.
It's like with seatbelts: every sane person on the planet knows that it's retarded that wearing them is mandatory. Its great that they exist, and it's smart to wear them. But if you don't, who do you harm? Only yourself. If you end up all fucked up because of your choice, it simply ought not to be covered by insurance.
Same with food. Same with everything.
You can't even sell it from those. Stop being a nanny stater. If someone wants to buy it, who are you to stop them?
A dead/dying human body hurled through a windshield is perfectly capable of injuring/killing bystanders in the area around a crash.
Seatbelts don't just exist to keep the driver/passenger safe, they exist to keep occupants from becoming lethal projectiles themselves.
Wrong.
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More States Are Making Raw Milk Legal. Is It Safe?
Nearly 30 states allow the sale of unpasteurized milk. Food safety experts say raw dairy may contain harmful bacteria that can lead to severe illness.
There are options for getting raw milk, but it cannot be sold across state lines and is subject to regulation and permitting just like pasteurized milk.
Skallagrim
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That is no sensible argument, unless you wish to ban unsecured luggage in cars, on the basis of legal parity. If not, you're defending a double standard, which is inherently illogical. (And, when referencing restrictions of freedom, also inherently immoral.)
Incidentally, when are you banning eggs? I can buy them freely at present, and if I use them in baking, I always lick the dough of the spoon afterwards. That contains raw eggs! Think of the salmonella risk! WE MUST BAN EGGS!
See? No logic to your position. Just let people do what they want, and on their own heads be it.
Fuck all busy-bodies. Fuck 'em sideways... with a chainsaw.
No, it's a position that acknowledges the reality a human body hurled out of a car at high speed can still injure/kill people around it.
As for eggs, if you want to sell them 'raw' to a wholesaler who does health checks, fine.
But if you sell foodstuffs to the public in the US, you fall under the health inspectors jurisdiction, particularly when you are doing it at scale and possibly across state lines.
Upton Sinclair's 'The Jungle' and it's expose on the meatpacking industry back in the day hasn't lost any of it's relevance, nor do 'cottage industries' suddenly become immune to the hard physics and biology that cause perishable goods to go bad.
It's not 'raw' foodstuffs that are the problem, it's that people keep trying to sell them under the table without the proper inspections and permits.
