Who says we're trying to change human nature?
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Karmic Acumen
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Everyone willing to accept the existence of objective reality.
Which is what we're going for. Instead of the people who think that men can be women and so on.
Karmic Acumen
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Dude, is this an attempt at gaslighting? That IS woke people. Don't pretend otherwise.
No, I'm just really damn confused at understanding what point your trying to make here.
Karmic Acumen
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Oh please, that thing about pretending men can be women and vice versa is precisely what I was talking about (though it's certainly not the only woke nonsense being pushed), you're the one not making any sense at all.
And they are thereby self-Darwining themselves from the gene pool.
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mrttao
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You are interpreting the same words differently.
You are interpreting "things we cannot change" as "objective reality"
But the intent was to refer to "trained helplessness".
like
"corrupt govt rapes the citizens? you are just one man, what can you do?".
"drug cartels rapes the people? you are just one man, what can you do?".
etc
It is not meant to be literally unchangeable things (aka objective), but rather things we were told are unchangeable (propaganda).
While it is true that even with the correction, the woke cultists are still doing the same. For example they are fighting against "the patriarchy" who is "just a social construct and not actually objective reality" (according to them. it is objective reality).
And that anyone who thinks things like being born a certain gender are objective reality is just "trained helplessness".
The thing is... "stop feeling helpless, stop being a noble loser, and try to actually push for your ideals" is not a radical message.
If the poster said "vote for candidates that actually represent you", would you say "gasp! you are just like a woke cultist! they too want to vote for candidates that actually represent them!"?
The woke cultists are not wrong because they unwilling to be noble losers and are trying to push their ideals.
The woke cultists are wrong because their ideals are insane, moronic, and evil. And based on a firm detachment from reality.
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Karmic Acumen
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No I'm not. I said they want to change human nature, and then I gave that answer to the question of 'who' says that. I.E., the woke wanting to change human nature is the objective reality in question, and so it is self-evident to everyone who can still conceive of objective reality.
You otherwise spent this whole post going on a roundabout way to agree with me that all woke taking points 'are based on a firm detachment from reality.'
The woke will never change human nature, nor will they warp reality to fit their delusions, but they have certainly ruined discussion. They've conditioned even the not-woke to go on the opposing offensive even against the people they literally agree with.
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mrttao
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You are wrong.
They are not trying to "change objective reality", they simply do not agree with us about what objective reality is.
They are still wrong, yes. But about different things than what you say.
When a commoner woke cultist (true believer) pushes for something that is objectively wrong, it is not because he thinks he can magically change the objectively wrong into objectively true.
It is because he believes that what he is pushing is objectively true.
The commoner woke cultist genuinely believes that if take a 10 year old and give them hormones they will change gender.
The commoner woke cultist genuinely believes that communism will work if "people just give it a chance"
The commoner woke cultist genuinely believes that women in the military can be just as effective.
They are not thinking "ok it won't work, but I am gonna do it anyways".
They think "conservatives gaslighted society into thinking it will not work. but it totally will work if we just try it"
Karmic Acumen
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They totally ARE trying to change it, from environmental initiatives in a bid to 'stop climate change' to teaching kids how to masturbate at age four so they have their sexual awakenings earlier (and traumatically), to forcing trans surgeries on them without parental consent, those are all changes they're forcing on society against human nature, believing humans will all transform somehow biologically and psychologically to fit their wishful thinking if only they push at it long and hard enough. Wanting all human biology and the entirety of nature to change is exactly what they're doing, no matter WHAT they actually believe.
That THEY think reality already fits their delusion only means they're delusional, nothing else.
One of the best parts of living in Virginia is that you're in the merged area of US Coastal and US Southern traditional cooking. So you get the best of both. New Orleans cooking is also famous for similar reason, as it's another major fusion of American Coastal and American Southern.
Unfortunately not, they reproduce using other people's children.
There are limits to that, and in the long run its incredibly self destructive.
Blasterbot
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Ha I am once again BASIC. my tastes are vanilla and I am OK with that. out of all those Italian or American Southern for me. the lack of midwestern Casserole is only mildy offensive to me. but I shall be magnanimous and ignore the slight.
Tell that to every totalitarian government in history. It’s the same idea- get them while their kids and you’ll have them and their kids.
And how many Totalitarian governments have we seen fall?
The soviets pretty much put their all into such things dispite maximum effort and pretty much wreaking society in the process the soviet union fell. The CCP pretty much destroyed china's old insitutions whole sale and these days they too are looking more and more fragile.
Fact is objective reality can only be ignored for so long before it smacks you hard.
A lot of them. But we’ve also seen a lot of governments fall.
And that also ignores the fact that going in that direction messes up the national culture and society even after said regime falls apart. And that it’s not exactly fun to live through either. Assuming you do live through it.
My point is, blithe acceptance of the situation and the notion that this will fall apart on its own doesn’t help the situation.