You know what's ironic? Historically when female fertility has became rarer as it does in the handmaidens tale. Women as a demographic have gained more rights and privileges,not that I expect Atwood to know that. So realistically if the virus happened like it did in that "novel" the women in that world would have become the most politically powerful group on Earth near instantly.
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Doomsought
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Just the fertile ones, the infertile ones would be treated like defective trash. Basically the opposite for that garbage novel.
LordsFire
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Particularly fascinating, is that with modern medicine, where we explicitly know how much stress, poor diet, and other things can affect the viability of a pregnancy, women still capable of bearing children would be handled with the finest of velvet gloves.
On the flip side, for powerful men, large swathes of infertile women means there's a perpetual crop of low-liability concubines. One of the sad things about human power structures, is there's always powerful men who are willing to use their power to indulge their carnal desires, and not needing to worry about illegitimate offspring is often a plus, not a minus, for such things.
Now, I haven't read the book, but I rather strongly suspect that it also fails to address the kind of bleakness and despair that would set in for women who cannot ever have a child, and for the male parts of the population who have no chance either because of lack of fertile mates.
She's a feminist and because of that would very likely deny that reality. Remember the fit that feminists threw when Black Widow told the Hulk that she felt shifty over having infertility? Hell most feminists I've heard openly disparage the very concept of motherhood. I suspect that is because of thier heavy focus on male powersets making the primary female powerset disgusting to them. Combined with the fact that a pregnant or one with small children flat out requiring male protection and provision. Shattering thier frankly utterly absurd fantasy of "female independence" being either achievable or even desirable for the vast majority of broads.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
Azerbaijani mad at Armenian cucumber. The memes in the Caucasus make themselves.
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TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
Oh the irony.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
When you really want to get your ass kicked
The entire premise of that book is such utter shit.
"Oh no, divorce was made illegal because Christian fundamentalists somehow took over the United States and made it into a dystopian religious hellhole, and because the brave heroine divorced her husband before these kooks even came to power, she was deemed to be an adultress and sold into sexual slavery to breed for reasons reasons!"
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Author has a fetish, I think.
Thing is if christian fundamentalists take over the country chances are some one fucked up very very badly and society as a whole decides to react against that.
Skallagrim
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The point is that Christian fundamentalists (certainly not any group that has any remotely meaningful adherence) would do the kind of utter nonsense seen in that book.
The Handmaid's Tale is just Fifty Shades of Grey for delusional feminists who want to indulge in some covert fantasising. The book makes zero sense as anything else.
Indeed.When some leftist asked Reagan why he condemn communists when he never was in commie country,he said that he was in Massachusett.And,he was not wrong.
If there would be any society left.Leftists are turning people into animals for reason - so they could not bond together and fight for their freedom.
If they succed,people would be unable to even think about being free.
It is as if you want reaction from beef - not possible,it is not alive anymore.
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LordsFire
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Christian Fundamentalists taking over would look more like Little Women, Little House on the Prairie, or to go into actual Christian literature, something like the Spirit Flier or Cooper Kids series.
If people actually wanted to, there are literally entire publishing houses that produce Christian fiction. It pretty much just depicts 'like 90's American society, except sexual degeneracy and and abortion are repudiated, and people held to higher ethical standards in general.'
Carrot of Truth
War is Peace
So some foreigner gets to tell actual Europeans what to do now? This is basically an occupation at this stage.
Skallagrim
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Not "basically". Factually, in all ways that matter. But the visible occupiers are just the foot-soldiers of the cosmopolitan elite who let them in and is using them.
Essentially, the immigrants are the jannissaries of the cosmopolitan pashas, who use these foreign "shock troops" to crush the interests of the native populace of the West.
willdelve4beer
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Think of it as "turn about is fair play". Europe spent a good several hundred years telling most of the world how to act (still does, or at least tries to do so, in many ways*). Now the rest of the world gets to return the favor.
The ones who have room to complain are the Irish, who never got to tell anyone else what to do, and the Swiss - who worked out that minding their own business and staying out of everyone else's wars was a pretty good plan.
*Right now the EU Commissioner for Human Rights is trying to intimidate American firms into violating the first amendment rights of Americans, in America, for spouting stupid crap that he objects to. I mean, I agree with him that the stuff he objects to is horrible and stupid, but the first amendment /is/ a thing, whether he likes it or not, so they have every right to be as stupid and horrible in public as they wish. The US has actually fought two wars to make clear that we are not a European possession, so such an expensively "educated" lad like that should have picked up on that minor detail at some point.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
WTH happened?
thats going to end very badly for them isn't it?
Exactly this.
You know what's hilarious about all these "anti-Patriarchy" and "anti-man" feminists? They're chasing after the men who literally fuck women for fun and throw them away like used tissues.
Feminist women, on camera, have said that they want the "Chads" and "Tyrones" that "fuck 'em and leave 'em", and all the shit they spout about men being "soft" and "in touch with their feelings" being the "ideal" turns them off faster than them shoving a dead cod up their V-Holes.
This sort of shit is why I can't take feminists seriously, and why I laugh at them when they cry that the guy they hooked up with, the guy they want to have in a relationship and locked down despite being the antithesis of all their spouted bullshit, throws them away quicker than a used condom full of hot sauce.
Already is, at least in the UK.
Some old White guy was arrested for saying "this shit is disgraceful" when looking at akl the Palestinian protests, and you have people openly saying "fucking foreigners" and "London is like a fucking Middle-Eastern market".
There is a massive difference to what those on the Left, and by extension our out of touch government, think and what the every day person thinks.
Hell, racism is on the rise. I wonder why? /sarcasm