Meme Thread for Both Posting and Discussing Memes

[Scottty]

 

[Scottty]

 

[Zachowon]

Those laws say the military can't be used as police. But those laws don't have a definition of "police duties" and what those are. Some are obvious like going into cities and arresting people doing crimes. But who said that guarding the border is a "police duty"? I'll tell you it was lawyers and courts who argued that, that means that diffrent lawyers could argue otherwise. A judges opinion is not the constitution if we can get another judge to rule against it.

Policing duties is anything that is not closing, engaging and destroying the enemy.
Doing patrols, stopping people.
Arresting, detaining, questioning.
All are considered policing actions when done on US soil unless by MPs. Infantry outside if a combat zone, can't just roll up and search your vehicle, can't just put you in handcuffs and question you. We have specific people who do this called MPs.. outside of them we can't be used because it is considered a policing action
 

1. you don't need to repeal any of those.
a. we do have foreign invaders streaming over the border
b. you can just make a DMZ or a protracted military base that snakes across the border

2. those laws have been ignored so many times it is not even funny.
The most recent even being when democrats stole the election and deployed the military to guard congress

1. Again, it is a policing action. There is a diffrence. It would basically be like putting guys solely trained to shoot and never ask questions and have a ROE of shoot on sight as a traffic cop.
Not like any traffic cop.
like one at a atop light directing traffic kind.
it isnt something where you can jist put the military to sit and capture, detain, deport and potentially kill if fired upon.
it is just to big
1b. So just a giant chain link femce aling the border and still soldiers only able to carry weapons when going to the range?

2. Insurection act has been used 24 times iirc. The last being the LA riots. Posse comitatus has been used since the 1870s due to the union wanting to make sure it wasn't basically sending its soldiers to be armed guards watching the south get better. Because it would basically be holding them hostage and the government still wanted to give freedom back then.
And as answered, the Guard in DC was state guard called upon by DC.
Not federal troops.

Why are they not deployed to the border?

Texas has thiers.
It is basically down for states to do it themselves since if the Federal government says they have to, they become Federal troops and then fall back ok thise laws

 

[mrttao]

1. Again, it is a policing action.

No, it isn't. It is stopping literal foreign invaders at the border.

alternatively, setting a DMZ is a well established thing. in which case it won't be america's territory anymore, but a strip of land 100 feet wide that is a DMZ that belongs to neither side.

Alternatively, military bases are a well established thing.
I can't just tresspass into a USA military base, I will get stopped by the soldiers manning it.
A 100 feet wide military base that snakes across the entire border is entirely viable.

Texas has thiers.
It is basically down for states to do it themselves since if the Federal government says they have to, they become Federal troops and then fall back ok thise laws

Federal govt deployed the national guard many times in the past

 

[stephen the barbarian]

Again, it is a policing action.

i'd like to point out that you could technically argue that the Banana Wars, Korean War, Vietnam, Afghanistan post 2002, and Iraq post 2003 were policing actions. this is not the knock out punch you think it is.

 

[Circle of Willis]

Aside from Allahu Akbar, they also missed (so far) a certain Mr. Amon Goeth/Göth up there.

 

[mrttao]

no way. that is a black MAN. needs to be a black woman, or even a black trannie

 

[Zachowon]

No, it isn't. It is stopping literal foreign invaders at the border.

alternatively, setting a DMZ is a well established thing. in which case it won't be america's territory anymore, but a strip of land 100 feet wide that is a DMZ that belongs to neither side.

Alternatively, military bases are a well established thing.
I can't just tresspass into a USA military base, I will get stopped by the soldiers manning it.
A 100 feet wide military base that snakes across the entire border is entirely viable.

It is a police action according to the government and how the military operates.

A DMZ like that would work, it would also be heavily resource intensive

Military bases are also full of soldiers who have no weapons and has a simple chain link fence around it.

Federal govt deployed the national guard many times in the past

The federal government asked them to go to DC.
The federal government deploys then to foreign areas not domestically.
The states do it ij the state.

i'd like to point out that you could technically argue that the Banana Wars, Korean War, Vietnam, Afghanistan post 2002, and Iraq post 2003 were policing actions. this is not the knock out punch you think it is.

Are any of those on US soil.

 

[ATP]

no way. that is a black MAN. needs to be a black woman, or even a black trannie

What about black bearded woman with penis ?

 

[mrttao]

What about black bearded woman with penis ?

Black Trans Hitler: Mein pronounz are zeig/heil.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Another Example of Institutional Racism

Institutional Heightism.

Anti-Institutionalism.

Bayonetta Saves Japan!

And finally... the TransIslamic Flag has been released.



Not to be confused with his previous work, the Ultra Pride Flag 2072!

 

[mandragon]

Alright.
And how do you expect these states to protect the borders even with a competent government?
The wall? That can Atilla be crossed....
Also, the Biden gov is building a wall as well.

Federalize the National Guard and approve the use of lethal force. After you kill a couple hundred of them the rest will stop coming people will of course whine but they'll whine no matter what. Might as well solve the problem efficiently and permanently

Will it really?

We've deliberately kept evolution from doing it's job in this space for nearly a century, and have accumulated a lot of self-destructive idiots and unconstitutional, even unamerican, jackbooted thuggery along the way. Idiots who would otherwise have more thoroughly removed themselves from the gene-pool. Thuggery which has inevitably been applied well outside of the "drug wars". Mind you, most of the idiots still manage to leap into an early grave, it just takes more time and resources (from themselves and society as a whole) than it would otherwise.

The point is, the current policy does nothing to prevent those who want to screw up their lives from doing so.

What it does do, is keep them and their problems sidelined enough that the upper middle class parents can go about their day to day without sparing the whole mess much thought.

The price for doing so has been creating an authoritarian, corrupt, militarized network of armed bands across the country who act as a law unto themselves, scorning any form of restraint. It also creates a guaranteed (and absolutely massive) flow of illegal revenue which continually spawns cartels and syndicates to feed off it. It does so while undermining rule of law, corrupting government at every level, and establishing organized shadow networks which can be easily leveraged by actual threats.

Personally, I think the cost/benefit is massively negative for Americans, and see no indication that there is any realistic chance of changing that basic outcome. The policy is a loser for the USA, and it is time to stop shooting ourselves in the foot in on this one.

The main change from doing this will be to make the mess more public, which will annoy the biffs and buffies of the world. More importantly, it will shift the revenue streams away from Cartels into something known and taxable, while hopefully reducing at least some of the screamingly rampant corruption, and restoring something resembling respect for our constitutional guarantees of personal property and privacy.

It also created what amounts to a secret police force in the form of the DEA,as well as necessitating heavily militarized urban police forces. Simply in order to match the firepower,organization,and training (much of which comes from within our own military) of ethnic street gangs. Then as of all of that wasn't enough the drug war has also more or less created a mass slave economy. Within the US itself in the form of for profit corporate prisons. That derive nearly all of thier dubiously ethical labor from people convicted of druh crimes or crimes directly related to drug sales. So all in all its a massive self own of a clusterfuck of epic proportions and a total failure as a policy.

 

[Zachowon]

Federalize the National Guard and approve the use of lethal force. After you kill a couple hundred of them the rest will stop coming people will of course whine but they'll whine no matter what. Might as well solve the problem efficiently and permanently

Then they are federal troops and not national guard....

are any if you listening?
Federalized National Guard are federalized troops.
Aka Federal troops held by the Posse Comitatus act.

they are no longer in control by the state and they fall under federal responsibility now.

It also created what amounts to a secret police force in the form of the DEA,as well as necessitating heavily militarized urban police forces. Simply in order to match the firepower,organization,and training (much of which comes from within our own military) of ethnic street gangs. Then as of all of that wasn't enough the drug war has also more or less created a mass slave economy. Within the US itself in the form of for profit corporate prisons. That derive nearly all of thier dubiously ethical labor from people convicted of druh crimes or crimes directly related to drug sales. So all in all its a massive self own of a clusterfuck of epic proportions and a total failure as a policy.

I mean, I think the war on drugs was stupid but the heavily militarization of the police started way back with the Miani Dade FBI shootout and the police shootout that invovled those guys wearing home made armor that took so much to take down.
Add in that police were using fully automatic weapons back in the 20s 30s and 40s, and the like really shows the diffrence.

The heavy militarization of police is not solely drug related, and that some drugs are very dangerous to have out there even if we legalized all drugs.
Fentynal.

The gang issue arose not just from drugs but from LBJs policies of keeping blacks in major cities and basically giving them free money.
Leading to arise in the crime especially during the 80s.

Remember, police used to carry revolvers until what, the mid to late 90s? Well after the civilian gun maket out paced them and cops adjusted to it.

Add in what SWAT teams are for and you get a variety of reasons.

 

[mandragon]

Then they are federal troops and not national guard....

are any if you listening?
Federalized National Guard are federalized troops.
Aka Federal troops held by the Posse Comitatus act.

they are no longer in control by the state and they fall under federal responsibility now.

I mean, I think the war on drugs was stupid but the heavily militarization of the police started way back with the Miani Dade FBI shootout and the police shootout that invovled those guys wearing home made armor that took so much to take down.
Add in that police were using fully automatic weapons back in the 20s 30s and 40s, and the like really shows the diffrence.

The heavy militarization of police is not solely drug related, and that some drugs are very dangerous to have out there even if we legalized all drugs.
Fentynal.

The gang issue arose not just from drugs but from LBJs policies of keeping blacks in major cities and basically giving them free money.
Leading to arise in the crime especially during the 80s.

Remember, police used to carry revolvers until what, the mid to late 90s? Well after the civilian gun maket out paced them and cops adjusted to it.

Add in what SWAT teams are for and you get a variety of reasons.

Solely no but it is at least in part,furthermore the use of automatics in the 20s just reinforces my point. Because guess why the cops were that heavily armed? To combat large well organized and violent gangs of primarily Italian criminals. This was obviously the Mafia anyway this is becoming a derail so I'll leave it at that.

 

[DarthOne]

 

[Circle of Willis]

 

[willdelve4beer]

It also created what amounts to a secret police force in the form of the DEA,as well as necessitating heavily militarized urban police forces. Simply in order to match the firepower,organization,and training (much of which comes from within our own military) of ethnic street gangs. Then as of all of that wasn't enough the drug war has also more or less created a mass slave economy. Within the US itself in the form of for profit corporate prisons. That derive nearly all of thier dubiously ethical labor from people convicted of druh crimes or crimes directly related to drug sales. So all in all its a massive self own of a clusterfuck of epic proportions and a total failure as a policy.

well, yeah.

That's what I was referring to in this bit:

creating an authoritarian, corrupt, militarized network of armed bands across the country who act as a law unto themselves, scorning any form of restraint.

 

[Cherico]

the hood looks like something that could honestly be made and be some what successful.

 

[Scottty]

Maybe they do understand that they are supporting, and it's what they actually want?

 

[Circle of Willis]

Maybe they do understand that they are supporting, and it's what they actually want?

Well, I guess it wouldn't be the first time it turned out feminists are playing a shit test on the rest of us and secretly actually crave to be subjugated beneath a truly iron-fisted patriarchy. Glances at Handmaid's Tale